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General Buddhism => General Buddhism => Topic started by: sonamdhargey on August 19, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
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I find this rather disturbing. A Monk killed a dog with an Axe in Korea.
On December 14, 2011, at 02:14 AM at a temple near ‘Choen yong sa’ in Choup-dong, Jean-gu, Busan, a Buddhist monk stumbled into an alley. He heard a dog barking behind the wall, and climbed over it.
After climbing the wall, he made his first attack on Jang-goon.
Moments later, the monk grabbed an ax from the temple 30 to 40 meters away.
He climbed over the wall again and struck Jang-goon twice in the head with the axe.
Jang-goon’s skull was fractured and he was rendered unconscious.
The monk hit him repeatedly even after the dog collapsed.
See Video:
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Source:http://www.careanimalrights.org/2012/05/11/monk-kills-jindo-with-axe/
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This is extremely disturbing. It's too much for me to think of this person as a monk. As human beings, we do not do act like this. Nothing warrants for such acts.
There's much to learn from this incident though.. that practice and applying the teachings is key to making us better human beings, kind human beings. It's not only what we wear and what titles we carry.
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I can't believe what I saw in this video. What possessed the monk to carry out this act? This is so disgusting. No one have any right to inflict such pain to an animal, what more a monk who is expected to hold his monk vows. I am very sure no killing other living beings is one of them. Everyone should treat all living beings with care and respect. I hope the video is not a smear campaign against the monk or Buddhist practitioners in general.
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Poor dog... What must he have done to suffer such cruelty from the hand of a monk...
Poor monk... What must he suffer later to have done such cruelty to a helpless being while braking his holy vows...
Whatever way we look at this, it is saddening to extremes...
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oh my goodness... is that really a monk?
The strange thing is, why did he even bother hurting the dog? It obviously wasn't attacking him or anyone else.
But monk or not, that act is pure cruel... no living being deserves such treatment. Worst if it's from a monk, because this action broke his vows to not harm any living beings.
I feel sad for both of them. The dog may be physically abused, hurt and even died (I think? Not mentioned of the dog died or survived) , but the monk has damaged his spiritual growth and holy vows.
Really sad...
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I fear for the 'monk' when the black karma of this devilish act stuck him. I am sure it would be many time worse then what he had done to the dog.
What is weird for me, the monk didn't attack the dog out of self defense, he walked away and returned with the aex when he could have just leave the dog alone. Perhaps there were untold histories between these two that were not shown in the video.
Anyway, whatever it was, the monk has not right to inflict such pain unto other living being. He is not fit being considered a human being, let alone monk.
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I'm not sure whether that's really a monk as the action really cruel!
I can't understand why people couldn't just think of them as just like human which have feelings too.
They have the same mind as we have, and also want happiness, like we do. For example, if you suddenly touch them, they are immediately frightened. They get frightened if somebody beats or hits them with a stick. We also get frightened. If somebody throws cold water on our body, suddenly we feel a shock. It is the same for animals. They have the same mind, and it is very important what happens to them.
Even if they can’t speak, can’t express themselves, animals can show their fear through their body. For example, they try to run away. Human beings can talk and complain, and they can bring court cases. Human beings can report things to the police. Human beings can do so much, but animals can’—they can do nothing. They can’t express their suffering. Human beings can talk about their fears. Whether other people accept your suffering or not, at least you can explain it and the other person can hear. Animals can’t, but you can see how they feel from their movements. If someone tries to attacks them, they run away. They are afraid, which means they want happiness and not suffering. This is a very important point, that they have the same mind as us. If you kill them, you create the negative karma to be like them. For one hundred thousand lifetimes, you will have the karma to be born as an animal. For many thousands of lifetimes, you will suffer the consequences.
It is said in the teachings that if you kill one animal, because of that karma, you will be killed five hundred times by others. You will suffer in very hot hell realm for one thousand eons. It is also good to ask yourself how it would be if somebody killed you with a knife. How would you feel in that situation? For example, if you put your finger in hot water, can you bear that? You can’t bear it. It’s the same when you kill animals. There is no good result from it. There is no question about that.
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Om Mani Padme Hum!
It is very cruel of the monk to hit the dog with the axe. The dog had created the karma to be injured by the monk in the past whereas the monk has created heavy negative karma from injuring the dog. A monk is supposed to uphold the Dharma to benefit all sentient beings. However, in this case, it seems like the monk has lost control of himself to anger. Had he been more mindful of his actions, he wouldn’t have caused so much pain and suffering to another sentient being. What is the point of putting on the monks’ robes and not upholding the Dharma? His action in this case is totally against the ethics required of a monk.
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From the video it's quite obvious that the poor dog was tied up at that moment. If not, it could have at least ran away. So, what kind of training had the monk received to have done such cruel act towards a helpless animal? It would mean nothing have went in, no realisation of any kind, although he had lived as a monk, but it seems the action he do is worse than any lay person's. We would have probably think many times or may not even think at all to hurt another being in such way. How scary... This act of cruelty clearly shows intense anger. Anger that suddenly consumes every goodness there is in this particular monk.
Hence, anger is one of the deadliest poison that can inflict one's mind. No matter what the dog may have done to him, probably barking incessantly at him many times, threatened to bite, chase after him, but the monk should have been kind enough to understand that there is a difference between him and the dog. That is he has a mind far more superior than that of a dog. But by doing such an action, shows he is worse off than that poor dog.
If we let our anger control us enough, over time, we will be filled with hatred and slowly without knowing become an animal or worse. It is important to keep our anger in check. Understand why we are angry. Have we created the cause for that anger? Or did we allow others to disturb our mind and make us angry. Either way, we should find a way to solve the problem within ourselves and not cause harm to another being.
Remember, you are not a tree. If you don't like where you are, simply remove yourself and find a better place.
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Om Mani Peme Hung to the both of them.
It is really sad to see that the dog and the monk suffered this karma. We think that it is the monk's fault but have we ever think of the dog being in the monk's shoes? Both of them have to face the consequences they created since a long time.
Instead of looking and blaming at who is wrong why can't we pray for them instead? Either way, they will not be ending up in a good place for what they committed. May the monk continue to do His Dharma practice and understand the karma He created and repent.
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The moral of the story here is even a Monk can conduct such act, so it is not about the title "Monk" a person carries makes him a good, compassionate, kind & holy, but what he practices and his motivation is upmost important. Nowadays we hear stories of monks behaving in an unbelievable manner, clearly shows that Monks are not free from their negative Karma to behave and conduct actions that are beyond comprehension. We all have a preconception that a Monk should be Holy and not harm any beings. After monks are also a man who has the same faculties that all of us human has. Well it is sad the monk acted in such a manner towards the dog, the negative karma only gets bigger.
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To think that the poor dog was just barking away and this person (a monk) just climbed over the wall and attacked it. The dog did not even hurt him. What did the poor doggie do to receive that hurt?
And what was going through the monk's mind, that he had to climb over the wall, attack the dog, went off and came back with an axe and attack it again?
Yes Sonamdhargey, that person was in a monk's robes thus he was representative of the religious sect. Something must have triggered him to go way out of line to have behaved that way.
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This is the contradict action of monk who holds the vows and practice compassion to help other beings is killing a dog. There are no reason for such action, no explanation as it was not the action which monk or human suppose to do towards dog or other animals.
Well.. Let pray that this will be a last thing we ever see either from the monks who have virtuous actions and the animals who depend on human kindness.
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Something could had happened between these two in their past life respectively. And in this life the karma ripen at that particular moment which triggered thing like that to happened. Sad. But if that person really a monk he should have had at least some compassion by not doing what he did, by simply killing a dog with so much effort and hatred. Where are all his Dharma lessons gone to? Was he drunk and i understand that some Koreans do include dog meat as part of their diet. Could it be with this kind of brought up the 'monk' simply acted out the violence thru his perception only to a food. But he's a monk....
Anyways, he's definitely not a monk who practices Dharma.
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Something could had happened between these two in their past life respectively. And in this life the karma ripen at that particular moment which triggered thing like that to happened. Sad. But if that person really a monk he should have had at least some compassion by not doing what he did, by simply killing a dog with so much effort and hatred. Where are all his Dharma lessons gone to? Was he drunk and i understand that some Koreans do include dog meat as part of their diet. Could it be with this kind of brought up the 'monk' simply acted out the violence thru his perception only to a food. But he's a monk....
Anyways, he's definitely not a monk who practices Dharma.
Thanks Rossoneri for your reply. I would like to highlight one of your point, not to put you down in anyway but to understand about how something we done in the past and have crossed paths with each other will effect our future life. If what we have done in the past life have the karmic effect to such an extent that we could not ignore it but to experience it as a repercussion, then we must experienced it because it is the law of cause and effect.
If that is the case, how would that Monk avoid this act when it is his negative karma to act in such away from his actions of his past life? Is there a way to control or change the ripening effects of his negative karma to not act in such away?
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This is a very disturbing clip and picture. This monk seems so cruel. What did the dog do to receive such abused. I seriously cant understand what is going trough the persons mind.
separate story.... I have heard from my grandma re a nun that stay near her house when she was a teen.. The nun is know to have a good heart because she pick up birds or animals that died on the streets and then buried them and she will do prayers for them but the nun has a very bad speech. Always scolding/swearing on people in and out of her temple. My grandma just say she don't understand how come such holy person still act such. I just reply my grandma ... "not all people practice what they preach".
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i can't believe what i saw from the video. I am totally disgusted with this act of violent killing an animal. whatever reason behind the motivation of the monk to kill the dog, it is unacceptable. Humans are born with wisdom and ability to think better than animals, why on earth that the monk (supposedly wiser) be irked by the dog? i am more worried with the monk now that he has committed this sin and especially when he is a monk, he is supposed to be holding vows. His bad karma is much heavier than of a layman. How can he do that???
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This is totally appalling ! I now wished that i did not click play on that video clip , sigh. I agree with what Sonam Dhargey said that we should not be too concern by the title or labels. I have to admit that the shock factor this video had was amplified one hundred times due to the word "monk" in the title of the clip.
Had it been titled " Korean man kills dog with an axe " most of us wont bat an eyelid ! Well I definitely learned something here about myself after reading everyones response. Thanks for sharing !
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I would have change the title to "Man in monk robe kill dog with axe"
Why? Because when he committed the killing, he can no longer be considered as a monk who is to hold more than 300 vows and to practice compassion.. This is one of the main vows (The 'Defeats' category) of Sangha (Buddhist monks and nuns) that he had broken. So, we can just call this man as 'man', not a 'monk' anymore
Maybe like some earlier posts said, the man is just another human being with his weaknesses and that maybe he has negative karma connections with dog. Well, immaterial of the reasons and the causes for him to kill the dog, he can no longer be representing the community of Sangha for the fact that this killing is premeditated, not an accident due to self defense. He has done that for revenge and even took the trouble to go for the axe and came back to kill the dog.
In the history of Buddhism, there were cases of former murderers too, the famous ones are Angulimala, King Asoka and Milarepa. However they committed those heinous crimes before they embraced Buddha's teachings, not after.
For a person who is supposedly on the path to practice compassion and letting go, this man definitely erred. He is definitely not a man who join monkhood to serve others but he use monkhood as his career for his own gain. Sad. Very sad for the poor dog but more sad for him when I think of his karma.
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This act is so disgusting. This man has broken his monk's vow. It is so disappointing that a person who is in monk’s robes and follows the Buddha’s teaching s could behave this way. He could not control his anger and resort to harming an innocent dog in such a brutal manner. It is sad to see the dog had to suffer this way and even sadder to see the monk who has created so much negative karma of hurting the dog.
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Well apparently Jang-goon’s owner immediately reported the attack to the police, but no charges were made because the police said that a monk would get little or no punishment.
Jang-goon was left on the ground to bleed all night long. He didn’t receive medical treatment until he was found by his owner the following morning.
He was immediately brought to a nearby pet hospital, but it was too late. Jang-goon was euthanized and the owner held a funeral for him. The chief priest of ‘Choen yong sa’ said the monk who attacked the dog was not well known.
His Buddhist name is ‘Gwang-woon’ and he had been living in the temple for just a few days at the time of the attack.
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What a damned monk! He's obviously not really a monk because he harmed another being for no apparent reason. The only thing I can think of is the fact that the monk probably got irritated by the dog's barking and he thought he could just kill the dog quietly but he is stupid enough to do it with the camera rolling. It is sad as this will do a lot of damage to the image of Buddhism in South Korea, which already is biased towards Christianity in recent times. For a person who hold vows, the breakage of important vows can bring about tremendous repercussions and more so than we can ever imagine.
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I watched the video in utter shock. It is bad enough to kill a sentient being in cold blood, but to do so after one has taken monk vows is a total disaster. And the trouble to which the so-called-monk went to inflict pain and harm on another being is amazing. I wonder how he ever became a monk and I wonder whether the monastery knew that he was capable of such acts.
There are other cases where a member of the Sangha behave is a manner not worthy of the robes. This is another reported case in America:
MOBILE, Alabama -- A Buddhist monk in Grand Bay used a wooden pestle to beat to death a fellow monk during an argument over food inside their temple, a prosecutor said in court this morning.
Vern Phdsamay, 32, is charged with murder. He is accused of beating to death the leader of the Wat Buddharaksa Temple, Chaiwat Moleechate, on Friday.
The temple, located in Grand Bay, serves the Thai and Laotian communities in south Mobile County. Both monks lived on the temple grounds.
During a bail hearing this morning, Assistant District Attorney Jo Beth Murphree gave a few details of the beating, arguing that Phdsamay poses both a danger to the community and a flight risk.
Murphree said Phdsamay picked up a large wooden pestle, more than a foot long, to strike his fellow monk at least a dozen times, mostly in the head.
After that, Murphree said, "he went back to his living quarters, showered and washed his clothes, and he went back and ate."
District Judge Charles McKnight ordered a $50,000 bail, of which $5,000 would have to be paid in cash.
McKnight said Phdsamay, a legal U.S. resident who emigrated from Laos in 2005, must surrender his passport before being allowed to post bail.
Phdsamay's lawyer, Neil Hanley, said Phdsamay doesn't know how to drive, speaks no English and has lived in the same place since he arrived in the U.S.
He said the monk has taken a vow of poverty and has no money.
He said the allegations against Phdsamay are out of character.
"This is a man who has dedicated himself to nonviolence, to services to the community," Hanley said.
McKnight scheduled a preliminary hearing for June 25.
(http://media.al.com/live/photo/vern-phdsamay-monk-buddhist-grand-bayjpeg-4e6c0dab036d5c05.jpeg)
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This is horrible. How can a monk break his vow of not killing! He is killing an innocent animal that did nothing to harm him. This is so evil. That monk does not deserve his monkhood. He is more or less a fake monk. This saddens me a lot :( I hope the dog has a good rebirth.
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It is indeed very sad to watch the youtube. We should stop all animal abuse for whatever reasons, and that's the main reason why I am vegetarian too. More so for someone who has taken vows as monk. If someone has taken vows and commit such crime, the karma will only be stronger.
However, it got me thinking and realize that even if I have taken the vows, even as a monk, if I don't keep my practices, I can go to the 3 lower realms anytime. It reminds me that I should do a lot of protector practice to clear away all my negative imprints that can cause me to commit negative actions.
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Oh no ... more bad news to smear the Buddhist teachings.
The reasons for vows (which the monks take) is to prevent anyone who took it to stop committing negative actions. I would have thought that killing being one of the heaviest karma should be the vow one keep very strongly regardless a monk or not. I guess he's probably not a serious practitioner but a man who turn to monk hood to escape something. We must not let a few bad practitioners here and there taint the whole purity of the Buddha's teachings. Let more good news out to override the bad.