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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ensapa on June 28, 2012, 01:45:07 PM
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I came across this article, written by a man who wanted to publish a book that supposedly derides Dorje Shugden and NKT but withdrew it, and his wife was harmed by an unknown entity which he quickly matched it to Dorje Shugden without even checking with any Lamas. Psychosis or paranoia? I just find it ridiculous that someone would write something like that without getting proper medical treatment or consulting a Lama that would know better.
I received the following letter with the request to post it on this blog.
Dear xxxxxx
Thank you so much for your kind letter and expression of concern for my family and myself. I must say, the last few months have been trying and the knowledge that others are praying for our well being certainly does help lighten the load considerably.
As to why I found it necessary to withdraw the book, believe me, it was not an easy decision, particularly after the significant amount of time, research and funds I put into the book. ‘Cuckoo’ was three years in the writing, researching and legal scrutiny, and it was not very easy to abandon the project after having learned so much about the history of the deity, and the nature of the NKT.
My principle reasons for withdrawing the book were financial and, more importantly, the effects the impending publication began to have on my wife.I will explain these after outlining the financial constraints of the situation.
I was somewhat surprised at the widespread attempts across the web to suggest that the book had been withdrawn for the reason that it contained libelous untruths. I thought the letter I posted on the web via Dialogue Ireland WordPress made it quite clear that the reason I had withdrawn the book was because, despite the fact that all the information in the book was evidenced and already in the public domain, I came to the conclusion that I could not match the legal costs of a libel case, in particular because the NKT have, in the past chosen Schillings, amongst the UKs most costly and libel law firms, a partnership with a reputation in legal circles of unremitting ruthlessness, to act on their behalf.
As you know, England itself has a notorious reputation in international legal circles because of the huge imbalances in its archaic libel laws. These imbalances facilitate the issue of Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation,(SLAPPs) lawsuits served to intimidate and silence opponents by burdening them with the excessive costs of legal defence so that they withdraw any criticism or opposition. This was the background to the famous Mclibel case in 1994 where two individuals, who could not match the legal might of McDonalds were found guilty of libeling the huge multi-national in a leaflet they published.
In the Mclibel case, it took nearly ten years for the European Court of Human Rights to overturn the ruling on the basis of the fact the couple had been denied their freedom of expression under the European Convention on Human Rights. I do not have the time or funds to engage in such a lengthy and expensive legal battle. Nor, as a Buddhist, do I feel that engagement in such embittered wars of words is befitting of my faith.
The content of the legal threat letters, which I have attached for your own perusal, do however throw up some rather interesting issues; I’ll leave you to read the letters yourself and make your own observations on some of the startling contradictions contained therein.
The second, more sinister reason for the withdrawal of the book was, as I said, the effects that began to manifest through my wife.
About two days after it became public knowledge that ‘A Cuckoo in the Peacock Palace’ was to be published, she began to bleed heavily. At first, we thought this might simply be a period but after day five of continuous heavy blood flow, I began to become more than a little concerned.
The concern increased when, on the morning of day six she awoke to tell me she had had the strangest dream: ” I dreamt I was being strangled by a bearded demonic figure” she told me. “I managed to struggle free and ran out of the house, where I was approached by a kind looking man, who took me by the hand and began to comfort me”. “But, when I looked down”she continued, “I saw that his nails had grown into claws and that the claws were beginning to penetrate my hand”. At that point, she woke up.
I didn’t say anything to her at first, but those who know anything about the experiences of those who have offended Shugden will recognize both of these, the strangling and the claws, as being a clear indication that one has incurred the displeasure of the deity. The strangling dreams have been reported frequently by those who have formerly propitiated, then abandoned the deity and are well documented. The claws are reminiscent of a dream the current Dalai Lama had some years ago in which he says “I dreamt that I was sitting on my bed. Beside my bed was a small boy, about seven or eight years old, whom I took to be Dolgyal. This boy was holding my right hand. When I looked again, I saw that where he held my hand the boy’s fingernails were changing into claws and he was extending them.”
The bleeding continued unabated to the point that I decided to seek urgent medical advice and, within hours of seeing the doctor, my wife was rushed into hospital for emergency transfusions.
They ascertained on arrival, that while the human body ordinarily contains around 5.5 litres of blood, my wife had only around 2.8. She continued to bleed profusely for the next few days, though her symptoms were alleviated somewhat by regular transfusions. She eventually stabilised and the bleeding was stemmed after about a week.Once the bleeding stopped however, my wife had to endure painful and intrusive examinations, initially while conscious. These examinations revealed a small growth in her uterus, which was immediately removed. Fortunately, after making prayers and desisting from further activities in relation to the publication, we have recently learned that the growth was non-malignant.
Of course, some might argue that my wife’s condition was induced by psychosomatic causes, this being a response conditioned by a combination of subliminal fear and a knowledge of the manner in which the wrath of the deity manifests.
However, unlike myself, my wife knew absolutely nothing of the manner in which Shugden’s displeasure manifests; neither is it something that I have ever discussed with her nor is it anything of which she has ever read. Until I finally explained the significance of the dreams, she had no knowledge of, nor interest in such matters and the explanation that there was the possibility that the affliction was the result of my having offended the deity came as a great shock to her.
I’m sure you can see from this why it has been impossible for me to continue with the book; though I would, hopefully, willingly sacrifice my life for the Dharma, it is certainly not appropriate to consider sacrificing that of my wife, the mother of my children. In short, not only was the future livelihood of my family under threat; circumstances appeared to indicate that their very lives might be under threat. I therefore felt it imperative that I withdraw the publication.
Despite the above, there is a definite bright side to all this. Now that I have abandoned work on the project, as well as my wife’s illness subsiding, I have become aware of the great value of remaining totally detached at all levels from the highly politicized internecine disputes that characterize Western Buddhism and instead, focusing on the Dharma itself.
I believe it was Jamgon Kongtrul the Great who observed that any sense of allegiance to a particular school, sect or view is a massive hindrance to the development of one’s own understanding. This allegiance to a particular faction, combined with the cult of personality endemic in Western Buddhist organizations nowadays, is, in my opinion, the basis of all that is wrong with Buddhism in the West in the 21st century.
At least in my own case, these obstacles have presented me with the opportunity to abandon involvement in endless childish games and instead focus on that which is truly meaningful. I only wish that others involved in this unholy row would realize this and stop fighting. Otherwise, it is only matter of time before naive and inexperienced Westerners, many of whom appear to consider themselves great experts in their faith despite having seen only one face of the jewel, destroy the Dharma. It took the Tibetans 1200 years to screw things up; we Westerners seem to have managed the same in less than 40!
With many, many thanks for you concern and good wishes,
Gary
At least the scary experience reminded him to practice the Dharma instead of focusing on the controversies. Perhaps, it is the negative karma that came from writing something of this nature manifesting and affecting his wife. Biased information and misinformation creates very heavy negative karma when spread around and this karma could come back to harm our loved ones. I do not think it is Dorje Shugden because they simply lack the karma to perceive him. It could also be him despite that, because the conclusion of the author is that he should have just focused on the Dharma instead.
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I do not have any knowledge of the content of the book so I have no material to justify what Gary said about NKT and the impending lawsuit should he proceed with the book publishing. However, there is one statement that intrigued me from his letter:
"However, unlike myself, my wife knew absolutely nothing of the manner in which Shugden’s displeasure manifests; neither is it something that I have ever discussed with her nor is it anything of which she has ever read. Until I finally explained the significance of the dreams, she had no knowledge of, nor interest in such matters and the explanation that there was the possibility that the affliction was the result of my having offended the deity came as a great shock to her."
According to Mr. Gary, his wife has no knowledge of DS. According to law of karma, one’s Karma cannot ripen in another. I am sure that what happened to his wife is not the result of any involvement of DS, but the result of her own karma.
Regardless, I hope Mr. Gary could continue to investigate about DS and clear whatever doubt or misconceptions that he has about this enlightened deity.
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Piss off a protector, Attempt to harm or deride his practitoners or Dharma center's then they are bound to show their displeasure. Setrap struck the victory banner of the top of Shartse for their actions of harm.
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I do not have any knowledge of the content of the book so I have no material to justify what Gary said about NKT and the impending lawsuit should he proceed with the book publishing. However, there is one statement that intrigued me from his letter:
"However, unlike myself, my wife knew absolutely nothing of the manner in which Shugden’s displeasure manifests; neither is it something that I have ever discussed with her nor is it anything of which she has ever read. Until I finally explained the significance of the dreams, she had no knowledge of, nor interest in such matters and the explanation that there was the possibility that the affliction was the result of my having offended the deity came as a great shock to her."
According to Mr. Gary, his wife has no knowledge of DS. According to law of karma, one’s Karma cannot ripen in another. I am sure that what happened to his wife is not the result of any involvement of DS, but the result of her own karma.
Regardless, I hope Mr. Gary could continue to investigate about DS and clear whatever doubt or misconceptions that he has about this enlightened deity.
Karma may not directly affect the wife, but it can definitely manifest as negative energy and negative conditions that will affect the wife. As his motivation for writing the book was out of hatred and contempt on NKT, needless to say that he would have generated a lot of negative energy in the course of his research and in the course of his investigations and it would all culminate in him. When a person is filled with negative energy, needless to say that he or she will affect people around them or their surroundings and they might attract negative entities that will harm them, or incur the wrath of other beings that are not of this realm to harm them as they can be provoked by such actions and they cannot stand it anymore and decide to do something. To blindly attribute the harm they receive to Dorje Shugden is nothing short of being superstitious and being blinded by fear and ignorance.
Actually Setrap struck the victory banner of Drepung monastery:
6. Ten years back, Drepung Loseling was printing anti-Shugden material. They have their own printing press in the Monastery itself. They were all excited about this. Then one day while the abbot was in his room (upstairs on top of the prayer hall), there was lightning and it struck the cement victory banner (see pic below). This one single victory banner toppled down and hit right near the abbot's room. It had a loud crash. It damaged the flooring (roof of the Monastery). No one was hurt. It was late at night and many monks ran to see what happened and saw the fallen victory banner after hearing a loud crash and lightning.
On top of every Monastery you have Victory banners representing victory over mara (negative mind). When this topples down, it is a very inauspicious sign. These victory banners have been up for years and are a permanent fixture, and no such thing has every happened. It was a very bad omen.
The disciplinarian (Gekul) of Drepung Loseling ordered the monks not to speak about this. If they do, it will be expulsion. The Drepung Monastery was very embarrassed about this incident hence the Gekul's issued this warning. They hushed it up. But many Drepung monks quietly spoke about it and it leaked out into the Tibetan communities.
A few weeks later, Setrab took trance in Delhi through the Kameng Kuten and said Dulzin (Dorje Shugden) is very patient but I am not. I struck the victory banner down to let them know they are doing the wrong actions. I am displeased.
Remember Setrab and Shugden abide within the same mandala. Or same divine palace.
It is sad that these scholars are motivated and blinded by hatred and they chose religion as the topic, and then reap the unfortunate consequences on themselves. I have a feeling that the story does not end here for this guy. There might be more to come.
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I believe that Dorje Shugden did not harm this man's wife at all. Dorje Shugden is an enlightened Dharma protector. He would not harm anyone, especially just because that someone had badmouthed him. Maybe, a worldly spirit was offended that someone was talking badly about an Enlightened Being and a means for the spread of the Dharma. Sometimes, negativities can be manifested in a form that does not directly harms the wrongdoer but the person/people who are close to the wrongdoer. Because it would hurt the wrongdoer more. However, the wife could also have her own amount of negative karma that required purification.
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Harmed by Dorje Shugden? Oh my... I don't know whether I should laugh or actually slap this person (if the is no karma for one short moment in time! hehehe).
When I saw the title of this new topic, I was thinking to myself, should I even bother writing to clarify something which is downright preposterous? I got off my soap box and basically went on the basis that this is after all an open forum and any form of discussion, debate and sharing IS healthy (no matter how ridiculous I seem to think the topic at hand is).
Well, let me not be biased as my views can certainly differ from others. First and foremost, given the lineage of Dorje Shugden (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?page_id=32 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?page_id=32)), there is no doubt that he is an enlightened being. Based on my understanding of enlightened beings, I do not think they go out there and punish the wrongs one has done... they just leave it up to Karma because, pardon my language, Karma IS a BITCH!.
If there are any repercussions at all to our negative actions/thoughts/words towards an enlightened being such as Dorje Shugden, it is the vast amounts of negative karma one will accumulate... perhaps to a point where it even fruitions in this very lifetime. It is NOT Dorje Shugden that creates the negative karma and hands them to us.... we did it all by OURSELVES!
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Karma may not directly affect the wife, but it can definitely manifest as negative energy and negative conditions that will affect the wife. As his motivation for writing the book was out of hatred and contempt on NKT, needless to say that he would have generated a lot of negative energy in the course of his research and in the course of his investigations and it would all culminate in him. When a person is filled with negative energy, needless to say that he or she will affect people around them or their surroundings and they might attract negative entities that will harm them, or incur the wrath of other beings that are not of this realm to harm them as they can be provoked by such actions and they cannot stand it anymore and decide to do something. To blindly attribute the harm they receive to Dorje Shugden is nothing short of being superstitious and being blinded by fear and ignorance.
Dear Ensapa
If the wife does not have the karma to be harmed, she will not be harmed. This is in accordance with the law of cause and effect. Whatever illness and sufferings that the wife experienced is the result of her karma and not the result of her husband's karma.
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“......those who know anything about the experiences of those who have offended Shugden will recognize both of these, the strangling and the claw..”
Offended Shugden??? Oh my, either he has misunderstanding or being misguided that Dorje Shugden can be easily offended and “take revenge”?! Very unlikely and he won’t, for Dorje Shugden is an enlightened dharma protector having the same nature of a Buddha Manjushri, Je Tsongkhapa, Mahakala and Kalarupa.
http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=734&catid=1&Itemid=30 (http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=734&catid=1&Itemid=30)
Gyara Tulku Rinpoche from Drepung Loseling Monastery wrote a prayer of gratitude, whose sentiments are shared by Dorje Shugden practitioners worldwide:
"First you gave me a highly qualified Spiritual Guide ?
Under whom I studied and practised Dharma. ?
When through following misleading advice I came close to entering wrong paths,
You immediately hooked me back into the correct path.
O Duldzin, King of the Dharma, I thank you for your kindness. ?
Your body is the synthesis of all Sangha Jewels, ?
Your speech is the synthesis of all Dharma Jewels, ?
And your mind is the synthesis of all Buddha Jewels."
Well, Karma is the name of the game here and not Dorje Shugden.
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Oh dear Dorje Shugden is so vengeful! That must be why all those Lamas and people who dislike Dorje Shugden, renounced his practice and Banned him - why are they not dead and still alive and saying nasty things about Dorje Shugden then??? Why are they not having horrible experiences.... must be because Dorje Shugden is selective hahaha. Hilarious!
It is obvious that people are extremely superstitious and it also shows how easily they listen to others without checking... such is the mind sets of peasant followers unfortunately.
In regards to Karma... I would say Yes to a certain degree unless you are highly attained master/mahasiddha? So Yes, it is possible for one person to take on another’s karma to a certain extend, not fully though. Especially if you and the other person have some kind of close relationship, I think it does have an effect.
I would apply the logic of dedication/dedicating ones merit to another the same I would here. But I do not agree that one person can completely experience or take away another person's karma.
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It is very funny that how people can put the blame onto some other being just because they couldn’t get what they want, every time when the problem comes, the blames always will be others not themselves.
If Dorje Shugden is so revengeful, I’m sure today many people will not be breathing any air already, especially those people that hurts Dorje Shugden practitioner, those who destroy his statue, why not Dorje Shugden take revenge onto them? Does this make any sense?
For such a revengeful deity, I wonder what happened to the nuns mentioned below:
With His Holiness' displeasure being deliberately kept in growth for 20 years by some in his close circle, it finally culminated in public denouncement of the deity and its devotees on March 1996 during the spring session of public teachings at Dharamsala with most blunt phrases like: "If you people want me to be damned and do not care about Tibetan freedom, you go ahead worshipping that evil spirit."
This provocation immediately triggered an unprecedented discord in the Tibetan community. After that very teaching-session two young nuns from the Tibetan Gelug nunnery in Dharamsala took first action to destroy a holy statue of this very deity in their own temple, by tearing the earthen image filled with many dharanis and sacred blessings received from His Holiness and his two most venerable tutors to ground, stamping on it and throwing it in the garbage.
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I would not trust the sanctity of a man who believes that his wife's dreams and growth in the uterus were caused by Dorje Shugden. I REALLY do think that Dorje Shugden has better things to do than to spite a man who's attempting to write a book.
Why not shoot down Dzambala for not providing him with the funds to pursue his legal case? WHY PICK ON SHUGDEN?
This man is truly exemplary; he illustrates most of modern society who believe that they are so important in this world. Would that book have really made an impact in this degenerate age? Considering the number of beautifully translated Tibetan scriptures and texts out there, lets all get real now.
I agree with what michaela says, "If the wife does not have the karma to be harmed, she will not be harmed. This is in accordance with the law of cause and effect. Whatever illness and sufferings that the wife experienced is the result of her karma and not the result of her husband's karma."
As a Buddhist perhaps he should reassess his faith on enlightened beings and the Buddha Dharma. "Nor, as a Buddhist, do I feel that engagement in such embittered wars of words is befitting of my faith." *scoff.
I implore him to read this: http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=4213. (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=4213.)
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This is just so incredibly ridiculous and I just find it hard to believe that it's real. How could he be the only person in whole of Merry England that has abandoned Dorje Shugden's practice and have to suffer the consequences? There are quite a number of disgruntled ex-NKT people out there but this is the first time, I hear that Dorje Shugden has decided to show his wrath. So, either he is lying or there's something more to the story that was not mentioned.
If it's true, then there must be a rational explanation for his wife's affliction. It could be due to broken samaya or that he has left the protected Mandala of NKT and that's why he has real malevolent supernatural beings following him and his wife. Broken samaya is one of the ways that supernatural beings come through to disturb us. These malevolent, tormented by their karma want nothing but to torment us because they are jealous and they would want nothing but to disturb and harm us because their own suffering is many times more.
However, I honestly think that the story was fabricated and I think he did it because he hoped that it will spread and bring a bad name to NKT, especially with the practice of Dorje Shugden. He is talking about the realm of the supernatural and no one can really check if the dreams were real of not. It is really sad because he gets nothing out of this except perhaps, a chance to air his frustration.
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I would not trust the sanctity of a man who believes that his wife's dreams and growth in the uterus were caused by Dorje Shugden. I REALLY do think that Dorje Shugden has better things to do than to spite a man who's attempting to write a book.
Why not shoot down Dzambala for not providing him with the funds to pursue his legal case? WHY PICK ON SHUGDEN?
This man is truly exemplary; he illustrates most of modern society who believe that they are so important in this world. Would that book have really made an impact in this degenerate age? Considering the number of beautifully translated Tibetan scriptures and texts out there, lets all get real now.
I agree with what michaela says, "If the wife does not have the karma to be harmed, she will not be harmed. This is in accordance with the law of cause and effect. Whatever illness and sufferings that the wife experienced is the result of her karma and not the result of her husband's karma."
As a Buddhist perhaps he should reassess his faith on enlightened beings and the Buddha Dharma. "Nor, as a Buddhist, do I feel that engagement in such embittered wars of words is befitting of my faith." *scoff.
I implore him to read this: [url]http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=4213.[/url] ([url]http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=4213.[/url])
Well, we cannot stop delusional people from manifesting right? This is another case of the crusader syndrome: they believe that they are doing a service to the world if they get rid of something or if they fight for a certain cause. In this case, this man believes that the purpose in his life is to "get rid" of Dorje Shugden and that by doing this, he is doing a service to the world. There are many of these people around, they usually end up in unfortunate situations not because they were harmed by Dorje Shugden, but because they were losers in their lives in their first place, they have not achieved much in their lives and they are insecure, therefore they use a cause as a cover for their insecurities. They do not really believe in it as if they did, they would do more investigations and also not be so touchy and angry whenever they are challenged and they will not display the signs of someone with blind faith because they dont have real, factual basis to support their cause.
Dear Micheala, the wife does not have karma to be harmed, but like what i have explained, she can get influenced by the negativity from the husband as they share the same bed and the same living space. Also, if she is aware of the husband's activities and she did nothing to stop them, she would collected negative karma as well as she could have done something but she did not. Last but not least is, we can never be sure if she did because the husband is already delusional, and during this time and age it is very common for people to lie. But for her to experience that, it could only mean that she is also guilty in some way or created the causes for her to experience the misfortune and it could be not related to our protector at all. It could be that or it could be a condition she already had BEFORE he started the whole thing and he just found it convenient to blame it on Dorje Shugden because he does not have enough Dharma to understand what is going on, and perhaps, blinded by ignorance or just plain delusional.
To be honest, I think what happened to him was a good thing because it made him rethink what is he really doing? Deriding on someone's protector does not benefit him even one bit, nor does it benefit him because he is not focusing on Dharma practice. It is wonderful that he came to this conclusion because perhaps, it would finally be now that he would actually start his journey in proper Dharma practice instead of getting involved in things that does not benefit anyone but him publicizing it may cause more misunderstandings in the minds of others. After all, there are many people out there who prefer to listen to an internet story rather than use their logic and actually take time to investigate before making conclusions.
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Oh my! Such weird and unDharma thing to do, Mr Gary. If you say that you understand Dharma, then how can you be saying and publishing something you are not well versed in? What about wrong view and wrong perception? And the karma created from having it? What about your wife's karma? To have the karma ripening at the 'right time' is also Dorje Shugden's fault? An Enlightened protector is going around clawing people?
Well said everyone. How on any earth can 1 protector do so such a thing? If so, all those who have harmed Dorje Shugden should all be dead already! Come on, let's talk some common sense here. Any man with a beard is Dorje Shugden? As usual, lets look at the bigger picture of spreading His practice! ;D
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Dear Gary,
While I may understand your financial constraints I think you may have not been doing the practice of Dorje Shugden for long and probably do not have the faith and conviction or maybe you do not have a lama to guide you.
As for me, I am most fortunate to receive the beneficial practice from my enlightened lama, been practicing and receiving numerous benefits from my lama and Dorje Shugden. I could probably write pages and pages of the benefits I had received and am still receiving that it may make up a thin book.
I have never thought Dorje Shugden is a demonic spirit and that the practice would harm anyone. In fact, it benefits people on so many levels. How can my enlightened lama be wrong? If I faced obstacles, it is my negative karma ripening. How could an enlightened dharma protector, practiced by so many highly attained lamas, be a spirit and cause harm? Then all those lamas are wrong and their lamas are wrong and so on. And I agree with Carpenter, a spirit would not allow an image of his/hers to be treated in such degrading manners and would have wreaked harm to the two nuns. Please check this out:
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2114.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2114.0)
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Is this the new way to put down Dorje Shugden and his practice? How the sacred Dharma protector can harm your wife? Because of her bleeding in that time so it was Shugden fault? Oh my, i do not know how you can put all this thing together, her bleeding, her dream and your dream all caused by Dorje shugden?
I only came across with the stories and experience of people received benefit from Dorje Shugden. If Dorje shugden harm people, all non-dorje shugen practitional should be dead by now and we can lift the ban esily.
There is karma and it exist what was happened with you and your wife, it created by you if you believe in Buddhism, this was taught by Buddha NOT Dorje Shugden so it apply to everyone either Dorje Shugden practitioner or other.
I so sorry for you about your wrong perception which lead you for extremely suffering for now and future, you will never find the peaceful and happy again in your life if you do not change your mind set and attitude.
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http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2114.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=2114.0)
Yes this video would definitely be a great help for him. He should see for himself how the respected Sangha took it upon themselves to behave so "un-holy". Did they suffer from being harmed by DS for their actions? Would they not have suffered much more than Mrs Gary since their behavior is atrocious?
Who in the right frame of mind would say that he has been harmed by a Buddha?
Buddha does not ask you to take revenge, cause harm onto others, threaten you.
Rather, no. It is the reverse.
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I do not have any knowledge of the content of the book so I have no material to justify what Gary said about NKT and the impending lawsuit should he proceed with the book publishing.
But I feel somewhat funny after reading Gary’s letter and the reason why he decided to withdraw his book from being published. He said he could not match the legal costs of a libel case, because NKT have past history of engaging Schillings, one of UK’s most expensive libel law firms with a reputation of unremitting ruthlessness as their lawyer. And further stressed,
As you know, England itself has a notorious reputation in international legal circles because of the huge imbalances in its archaic libel laws. These imbalances facilitate the issue of Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation,(SLAPPs) lawsuits served to intimidate and silence opponents by burdening them with the excessive costs of legal defence so that they withdraw any criticism or opposition. This was the background to the famous McLibel case in 1994 where two individuals, who could not match the legal might of McDonalds, were found guilty of libeling the huge multi-national in a leaflet they published.
These two individuals are environmental activists Helen Steel and David Morris whom McDonald’s Corporation filed a lawsuit against for distributing pamphlet bearing critical remarks to the company. The McLibel case is famed for being the longest running case in English History which started 11 June 1997 and ended 15th February 2005; McDonald’ used a huge sum of money and won two hearings of the case in English courts. However, Steel and Morris persevered with their appeal and on 15th February 2005, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that the original case breached Article 6 and Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights (EHCR) which is the right to a fair trial and right to freedom of expression respectively and ordered that the UK government pay Steel and Morris £57,000 in compensation. Although the ruling did not reflect the merits of their case against McDonald’s, the EHCR in their ruling exposed the notoriously oppressive and unfair UK libel laws which failed to protect public right to criticize corporations who business practices affect people and the environment, and a biased trial due to the defendants comparative lack of resources.
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_Case (http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_Case)
The story of McLibel case shows the determinations of two individuals who are set on revealing the truth behind McDonald’s unethical business conduct. Steel and Morris had hard concrete FACTs and are ready to go all out to battle against the giant corporation McDonald’s and not give up no matter what simply because they want people to be aware that the food they bought from McDonald’s are not as healthy as claimed and that it will harmful for health if consumed in large quantities amongst several other issues such as torture and murder of animals, destroying rainforests with poisons and colonial invasions. Steel and Morris went to great length to prove their claims and didn’t back down even after being intimidated many times. It would have been much easier if like Gary. They give up. And they could have given up easy when McDonald’s offered to settle the case in June 1995 but they didn't due the power of truth and factual discovery which Gary do not.
To Gary:
Gary, if you have so much FACT and do believe that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit that is SO FREE and will go around harming people who are against his practice, you should really persevere on to REVEAL the TRUE NATURE OF DORJE SHUGDEN! DO NOT ALLOW IT TO HARM anyone anymore especially fellow Buddhist! And if you as a Buddhist feel that it is not befitting your faith to be engaged in such embittered wars of words, then you should not have gotten yourself involved in this controversial and having write this book to begin with! You wrote a book claiming that Dorje Shugden is an evil deity in disguise of a Buddha and hope the world will share your sentiments. If you do have the FACTs and genuine studies to back it up, I am sure that there will be abundance of anti Dorje Shugden people out there ready to fund you to battle against this so called evil deity and those who are against the publishing of the book. The way I see it, it’s because your claims are mainly based on your own fictional imagination, lack of truth and you do not have the confident to fight on hence you withdrew.
You claimed that those who have offended Dorje Shugden experience the dream of strangling and the claw. As many in this forum have said, if Dorje Shugden is a vengeful spirit, then all of those who have offended it previously would have all been long gone wouldn’t they? Or were they like you, they got afraid and everything became allright all of a sudden? So you surrender to this evil deity? Because this evil deity so strong that even Chenrezig cannot subdue? Then is this evil deity more powerful than Buddha? The dream you and your wife experienced, sound very much like a scene from Buffy the Vampire Hunter to me. How funny that you can instantly link the bleeding from a growth in your wife’s uterus to Dorje Shugden. A GROWTH IS A GROWTH! It is a bodily thing that needs medical attention. Dorje Shugden seem to be responsible for all your bad experiences. Do you think the PROTECTOR IS REALLY THAT FREE? To give so much attention to you? There are many other more important people than you the protector would have chose to work on, if it was really an evil spirit.
Oh yes, you should FOCUS on the Dharma Gary. I agree with you on this one.
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Dear Gary,
There are many people including the Sangha has so called offended Dorje Shugden such as destroying statues of him, create violence and attacked Dorje Shugden practitioners and so far there are no news that they were harmed by Dorje Shugden.
The dreams mentioned does not mean it is Dorje Shugden, more like wild allegations. How can anyone linked their bad dream to Dorje Shugden? How do someone by just dreaming can claim the evil spirit in his dream is Dorje Shugden?
What your wife experienced needs medical attention and having a growth is common and after your wife has gone for medial treatment, her condition became better. You claimed that your wife was harmed by Dorje Shugden, If Dorje Shugden is really an evil spirit as you claimed, then how come the attacks has stopped after your wife has received medical treatment?
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Yes Gary i totally agree with Sonamdhargey and the rest on this forum. Honestly, if such hocus pocus allegations that you made were to be true then how do you explain hundreds of anti Dorje Shugden followers who has committed countless desecrations of this deity's shrine and images of him ever since the imposition of the ban goes on "UNPUNISHED" as you had alleged ?
Gary what you did or was about to do , PALES in comparison to what they did to enforce the ban. This does not even include the atrocities committed towards the thousands of Dorje Shugden practitioners who suffered unspeakable abuse and discrimination. If what you claimed is true then this deity must really "HATE" you or your wife only to say the least and all the victims of this ban must be really curious why their prayers for help to alleviate their suffering goes unanswered , that their tormentors are still at it. Sorry for the pun , they (the anti DS people) should have all bled to death by now, uh oh their "innocent" family should be cursed too or clawed to death if DS is so vengeful LOL.
Gary, i suspect you are actually so filled with guilt for the unjust work you did that you are subconsciously tormenting yourself and your wife with these thoughts and nightmares. Why, for goodness sake you could at least have the decency to blame the nightmares as the manifestation of your wife"s tumour ! Maybe your wife is so "sensitive" or in tuned with her body that her mind is actually giving her warnings about the growth ! That the bearded demon in her dream was non other than the harmful tumour LOL. Luckily, it is NOT in her karma to have a malignant one, OM MANI PADME HUNG !
That my buddhist friend could have been the most logical explanation why she had the nightmares, please take care of your wife and try to collect some merits by BENEFITING other sentients , so that you may dedicate them to her for her speedy recovery.
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The story of McLibel case shows the determinations of two individuals who are set on revealing the truth behind McDonald’s unethical business conduct. Steel and Morris had hard concrete FACTs and are ready to go all out to battle against the giant corporation McDonald’s and not give up no matter what simply because they want people to be aware that the food they bought from McDonald’s are not as healthy as claimed and that it will harmful for health if consumed in large quantities amongst several other issues such as torture and murder of animals, destroying rainforests with poisons and colonial invasions. Steel and Morris went to great length to prove their claims and didn’t back down even after being intimidated many times. It would have been much easier if like Gary. They give up. And they could have given up easy when McDonald’s offered to settle the case in June 1995 but they didn't due the power of truth and factual discovery which Gary do not.
To Gary:
Gary, if you have so much FACT and do believe that Dorje Shugden is an evil spirit that is SO FREE and will go around harming people who are against his practice, you should really persevere on to REVEAL the TRUE NATURE OF DORJE SHUGDEN! DO NOT ALLOW IT TO HARM anyone anymore especially fellow Buddhist! And if you as a Buddhist feel that it is not befitting your faith to be engaged in such embittered wars of words, then you should not have gotten yourself involved in this controversial and having write this book to begin with! You wrote a book claiming that Dorje Shugden is an evil deity in disguise of a Buddha and hope the world will share your sentiments. If you do have the FACTs and genuine studies to back it up, I am sure that there will be abundance of anti Dorje Shugden people out there ready to fund you to battle against this so called evil deity and those who are against the publishing of the book. The way I see it, it’s because your claims are mainly based on your own fictional imagination, lack of truth and you do not have the confident to fight on hence you withdrew.
You claimed that those who have offended Dorje Shugden experience the dream of strangling and the claw. As many in this forum have said, if Dorje Shugden is a vengeful spirit, then all of those who have offended it previously would have all been long gone wouldn’t they? Or were they like you, they got afraid and everything became allright all of a sudden? So you surrender to this evil deity? Because this evil deity so strong that even Chenrezig cannot subdue? Then is this evil deity more powerful than Buddha? The dream you and your wife experienced, sound very much like a scene from Buffy the Vampire Hunter to me. How funny that you can instantly link the bleeding from a growth in your wife’s uterus to Dorje Shugden. A GROWTH IS A GROWTH! It is a bodily thing that needs medical attention. Dorje Shugden seem to be responsible for all your bad experiences. Do you think the PROTECTOR IS REALLY THAT FREE? To give so much attention to you? There are many other more important people than you the protector would have chose to work on, if it was really an evil spirit.
Oh yes, you should FOCUS on the Dharma Gary. I agree with you on this one.
It is obvious that Gary is suffering from the crusader syndrome as he thinks he is doing the world a big favor by publishing that book. Sadly, to Buddhists it just goes to show that his lack of understandings of the situation and his selective research just goes to show that he has no Buddhist values at all and that he is just doing this as a cover for his insecurities. It shows his blatant lack of understanding and faith in the Dharma and his lack of investigation towards things as well as his ignorance. Like I have mentioned in my previous post, he did the whole thing with the wrong motivations and sees it as the easy way out for his spiritual solutions. I say he needs a psychiatric evaluation to see if he suffers from borderline personality disorder as i feel that he is struggling with problems such as paranoia.
I still do not understand why people fail to see two sides of the coin and insist on seeing only one side of the story and they sell their story as the full story when it is only a one sided affair that is quite heavily biased and brings little or no benefit to people and cause them only more misunderstandings in the long run. Their books and works may only be believed by the gullible individuals and not by people who know better. This is the age of information and the internet, and many people can easily find out for themselves the truth. What Gary wrote against Dorje Shugden is of a seditious nature that is inaccurate and poorly researched and having a defamatory case against him would kind of fit the bill. It would be different if he had cold hard facts about Dorje Shugden rather than one sided material.
The whole blame it on Dorje Shugden thing tells everyone very clearly how little he understand about Buddhism and how easy and quick he is to blame something or someone else for his own problems. The wife's growth could have been there even before he started with the book. Also, notice that he does not provide much detail on the wife's condition and perhaps it developed over time and nobody noticed and now it suddenly became full blown, but he prefers to go with a more superstitious answer compared to going with a more concrete answer.
We can only hope that he does wake up from his dream and take a more neutral stance towards Dorje Shugden, and forgive NKT for whatever that NKT has done to him as doing that is part of Buddhist practice in the first place
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We are responsible to our own karma - hence how can the husband's negative karma due to his own wrong doings befall onto the wife? Similarly it is very wrong to say that someone's sin will lead to the downfall of his/her offsprings.
For those born in the same family (or becomes partners to each other) our cosmic link is very strong.
If we have a child who is very problematic, so much heartache and sleepless nights that we suffer because of this child, its because we must have done something negative onto them in our previous lives. Hence its 'payback time'; the other scenario / possibility is this being is creating negative karma by harming us this lifetime, hence he/she will have to take the responsibility when the negative karma rippen.
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We are responsible to our own karma - hence how can the husband's negative karma due to his own wrong doings befall onto the wife? Similarly it is very wrong to say that someone's sin will lead to the downfall of his/her offsprings.
For those born in the same family (or becomes partners to each other) our cosmic link is very strong.
If we have a child who is very problematic, so much heartache and sleepless nights that we suffer because of this child, its because we must have done something negative onto them in our previous lives. Hence its 'payback time'; the other scenario / possibility is this being is creating negative karma by harming us this lifetime, hence he/she will have to take the responsibility when the negative karma rippen.
We are responsible for our own karma, but karma also forms attitudes and it is those attitudes that will drag the people around us down. Negative karma can also manifest as negative energy that can pull people around us down, including our loved ones. Some people might also end up to be delusional and that also affects people around them. So in this case, it could be that the husband's irrational fear of Dorje Shugden has generated negative energy that was so bad that it caused the wife to hallucinate.
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“......those who know anything about the experiences of those who have offended Shugden will recognize both of these, the strangling and the claw..”
Offended Shugden??? Oh my, either he has misunderstanding or being misguided that Dorje Shugden can be easily offended and “take revenge”?! Very unlikely and he won’t, for Dorje Shugden is an enlightened dharma protector having the same nature of a Buddha Manjushri, Je Tsongkhapa, Mahakala and Kalarupa.
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=734&catid=1&Itemid=30[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=734&catid=1&Itemid=30[/url])
Gyara Tulku Rinpoche from Drepung Loseling Monastery wrote a prayer of gratitude, whose sentiments are shared by Dorje Shugden practitioners worldwide:
"First you gave me a highly qualified Spiritual Guide ?
Under whom I studied and practised Dharma. ?
When through following misleading advice I came close to entering wrong paths,
You immediately hooked me back into the correct path.
O Duldzin, King of the Dharma, I thank you for your kindness. ?
Your body is the synthesis of all Sangha Jewels, ?
Your speech is the synthesis of all Dharma Jewels, ?
And your mind is the synthesis of all Buddha Jewels."
Well, Karma is the name of the game here and not Dorje Shugden.
Beautiful prayer and praise which makes us think and reflect on the qualities of the mighty being called Dorje Shugden. I have read the story and claims but the problem with the story is, it is not convincing. You might refute saying that my faith is very adamant on Dorje Shugden. But also bear in mind that my entire being is also fixated on the understanding of things and situations through logic and reasoning.
What empowers me from this saga is that people are people at the end of the day. When they challenge the divine, they're looking for trouble for themselves when they have not made enough effort and reasoning behind everything they've said. What more there's karma who's keeping watch of everything in movement and at rest.
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“......those who know anything about the experiences of those who have offended Shugden will recognize both of these, the strangling and the claw..”
Offended Shugden??? Oh my, either he has misunderstanding or being misguided that Dorje Shugden can be easily offended and “take revenge”?! Very unlikely and he won’t, for Dorje Shugden is an enlightened dharma protector having the same nature of a Buddha Manjushri, Je Tsongkhapa, Mahakala and Kalarupa.
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=734&catid=1&Itemid=30[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=734&catid=1&Itemid=30[/url])
Gyara Tulku Rinpoche from Drepung Loseling Monastery wrote a prayer of gratitude, whose sentiments are shared by Dorje Shugden practitioners worldwide:
"First you gave me a highly qualified Spiritual Guide ?
Under whom I studied and practised Dharma. ?
When through following misleading advice I came close to entering wrong paths,
You immediately hooked me back into the correct path.
O Duldzin, King of the Dharma, I thank you for your kindness. ?
Your body is the synthesis of all Sangha Jewels, ?
Your speech is the synthesis of all Dharma Jewels, ?
And your mind is the synthesis of all Buddha Jewels."
Well, Karma is the name of the game here and not Dorje Shugden.
Beautiful prayer and praise which makes us think and reflect on the qualities of the mighty being called Dorje Shugden. I have read the story and claims but the problem with the story is, it is not convincing. You might refute saying that my faith is very adamant on Dorje Shugden. But also bear in mind that my entire being is also fixated on the understanding of things and situations through logic and reasoning.
What empowers me from this saga is that people are people at the end of the day. When they challenge the divine, they're looking for trouble for themselves when they have not made enough effort and reasoning behind everything they've said. What more there's karma who's keeping watch of everything in movement and at rest.
Thank you HarryNephew for the interesting prayers and for your insight on this matter. To me, one of the most disturbing, if i could use that word, aspect of this is the fact that an educated man being reduced to a superstitious person due to irrational fear and the complete lack of logic when talking about matters like these. This person actually represents the lot of the Dalai Lama's followers who follow the Dalai Lama out of blind faith and superstition as opposed to sound logic and reasoning. There are many more garys out there, irregardless of whether or not they blame Dorje Shugden, they still think that Dorje Shugden is negative due to blind faith in the Dalai Lama.
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Dreams doesn't form the basis of medical diagnose . You don't tell your dream to your doctor when you are physically ill. It has been proven that dreams can be unreliable and can be misinterpreted. Even very young children who have flashback of previous life are subjected to close scrutiny to determine whether they are making up pictures on their own or they heard it from someone else. What is more to say an adult who can manipulate what he or she says. There is no evidence to it. It is pure blaming your misfortune on someone else shoulders. Dharma is about taking responsibility and giving knowledge, care, and help, not to create disharmony and separate people from their faiths.
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Dreams doesn't form the basis of medical diagnose . You don't tell your dream to your doctor when you are physically ill. It has been proven that dreams can be unreliable and can be misinterpreted. Even very young children who have flashback of previous life are subjected to close scrutiny to determine whether they are making up pictures on their own or they heard it from someone else. What is more to say an adult who can manipulate what he or she says. There is no evidence to it. It is pure blaming your misfortune on someone else shoulders. Dharma is about taking responsibility and giving knowledge, care, and help, not to create disharmony and separate people from their faiths.
I like what you have wrote there, fruven, because to believe in dreams as adults is something that is rather superstitious. Dreams can be a result of one's intense emotions. Perhaps the author was too afraid and he focused too much on the descriptions found in the yellow book that he imagined the whole thing out. But then again, he probably thought that he was doing the world a huge favor if he wrote something against Dorje Shugden and against NKT even if it means harming many people who would be misled by his material. The other side of the whole thing is that he managed to turn back to real Dharma practice and not be affected by all the unnecessary dramas that does not aid him in his personal Dharma practice at all.
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If you are worried about Evil spirits here are a few Buddhist tips for you !
1. Take Refuge in the 3 jewels its a guaranteed method of protection.
2. Rely upon your Guru.
3. Rely upon Arya Tara.
4. Rely upon Vajrapani
Now if you are stilled worried I would mention that high Lamas have no trouble dealing with any spirit through various accomplishments and rituals spirits can be subdued or killed. Now if great masters cannot subdue or kill a spirit it shows that they are not great masters or that the being they seek to deal with is not a spirit.
So why worry about Dorje Shugden ? As a Dharma protector all those that offend the doctrine of Je Tsongkhapa, His disciples, Centre's and so forth, engage in actions that are harmful toward the growth of this lineage will experience various signs of his displeasure.
So if these points I have suggested about protection from spirits does not work if you seek to deliberately harm those who practice Je Tsongkhapa's doctrine and proper-gate his Dharma protector or obstruct their growth even if you practice Guru Dragphur you will not be protected because this being Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued he is unrelenting, he is no mere spirit but the great emanated Manjushri as told by our lineage Guru's.
Dharma protectors can indeed be fearsome as such their capacity to protect the Dharma and guide practitioners is un-contended.
The very fact that Dorje Shugden is here today despite all the attempts to wipe him out, from the mistaken view of the 5th Dalai lama who later recanted and recognised him as enlightened, From up until the modern day when Hayagriva rituals where performed against him with no success, later the sangha community whom followed Dorje Shugden where excluded from their monasteries, their situation looked desperate but Dorje Shugden acts as a supreme protector for those who face such difficulty and as such they now occupy their own monastery's with international support.
It is even within the Nyingmapa's own terma's that Dhogyal is none other then the great compassionate one Avalokiteshvara himself.
If one seeks to harm the Guru's the Sangha's or the centre's of such Dharma practitioners be warned you will have no protection against Dorje Shugden save his compassion.
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If you are worried about Evil spirits here are a few Buddhist tips for you !
1. Take Refuge in the 3 jewels its a guaranteed method of protection.
2. Rely upon your Guru.
3. Rely upon Arya Tara.
4. Rely upon Vajrapani
Now if you are stilled worried I would mention that high Lamas have no trouble dealing with any spirit through various accomplishments and rituals spirits can be subdued or killed. Now if great masters cannot subdue or kill a spirit it shows that they are not great masters or that the being they seek to deal with is not a spirit.
So why worry about Dorje Shugden ? As a Dharma protector all those that offend the doctrine of Je Tsongkhapa, His disciples, Centre's and so forth, engage in actions that are harmful toward the growth of this lineage will experience various signs of his displeasure.
So if these points I have suggested about protection from spirits does not work if you seek to deliberately harm those who practice Je Tsongkhapa's doctrine and proper-gate his Dharma protector or obstruct their growth even if you practice Guru Dragphur you will not be protected because this being Dorje Shugden cannot be subdued he is unrelenting, he is no mere spirit but the great emanated Manjushri as told by our lineage Guru's.
Dharma protectors can indeed be fearsome as such their capacity to protect the Dharma and guide practitioners is un-contended.
The very fact that Dorje Shugden is here today despite all the attempts to wipe him out, from the mistaken view of the 5th Dalai lama who later recanted and recognised him as enlightened, From up until the modern day when Hayagriva rituals where performed against him with no success, later the sangha community whom followed Dorje Shugden where excluded from their monasteries, their situation looked desperate but Dorje Shugden acts as a supreme protector for those who face such difficulty and as such they now occupy their own monastery's with international support.
It is even within the Nyingmapa's own terma's that Dhogyal is none other then the great compassionate one Avalokiteshvara himself.
If one seeks to harm the Guru's the Sangha's or the centre's of such Dharma practitioners be warned you will have no protection against Dorje Shugden save his compassion.
I think there are many people around who does not have a firm foundation in Dharma who are investigating the "deeper" practices where they are not supposed to and in the end they get misunderstandings and they give up Buddhism altogether. There are many resources around that do point them to the right direction but then nobody these days want to work with the basics and they want to aim for the more advanced teachings and expect to understand them. This is the risk where advanced practices are made available for reading widely and people chose to skip the "boring" basics for material that they perceive is higher.
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I am re-visiting this thread again and I am really tickled to think that some people would still believe that Dorje Shugden is capable of harming anybody. This is unless people who know nothing of Tibetan Buddhism, comes across a wrathful image of Dorje Shugden. However, I do hear that people find Dorje Shugden's wrath, a point of attraction rather than something to be feared of. Even Dorje Shugden in his most ferocious form as Yamantaka, is still attractive to certain people. Besides allegations from the Dalai Lama's camp, I cannot imagine how anybody would imagine Dorje Shugden is capable of harming anybody. On top of that, I don't see anybody have posted anything negative.
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Big Uncle, I'm glad this has been revived too. Some people come to my home and are frightened by my images of Dorje Shugden and my images are the very gentle ones! It's only because he holds a sword. I find this very strange - the angels of the Bible are much more frightening!
Thank you for bringing up the point the wrath in Buddhism is more of an attraction point than something to be feared. I like the gentler images, but I like the symbology of wrath, not just in the protectors but also in the yidams. I like the swiftness it symbolises, that wonderful sense that the Buddhas are flying across time and space as fast as they possibly can to help us and answer our wishes! Also, the way that it represents the burning up of our obstacles and negativities. Yes! Burn up all the maras, please! I have plenty of them loitering around.
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I am re-visiting this thread again and I am really tickled to think that some people would still believe that Dorje Shugden is capable of harming anybody. This is unless people who know nothing of Tibetan Buddhism, comes across a wrathful image of Dorje Shugden. However, I do hear that people find Dorje Shugden's wrath, a point of attraction rather than something to be feared of. Even Dorje Shugden in his most ferocious form as Yamantaka, is still attractive to certain people. Besides allegations from the Dalai Lama's camp, I cannot imagine how anybody would imagine Dorje Shugden is capable of harming anybody. On top of that, I don't see anybody have posted anything negative.
In a world where parents kill their children and children kill their parents, i dont find this surprising at all. We are in the Kali Yuga after all. People fearing and misunderstanding Dorje Shugden, and people spreading lies about Kyabje Pabongkha, Zong and Trijang Rinpoche, I cant help but to feel angry that such indignition be made to these high Lamas. I can only say that eventually, the ban will be lifted and those who "fear" Dorje Shugden or who is tricked into thinking that Dorje Shugden can harm will have to rethink their decisions when the ban is lifted and probably when the Dalai Lama announces that everyone from every tradition must practice Dorje Shugden, after the practice of Dorje Shugden and Buddhism is firmly rooted in China.
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I've been thinking about this post for a few days. And wanted to add that in spite of all the accusations of Dorje Shugden harming people, there hasn't ever actually been any evidence to support this. Why doesn't anyone realise this very simple little fact?
And if he really was as harmful as they say he is, then why are all the high lamas who have practiced him in their previous lives all returned as perfect unmistaken incarnations? If they had taken refuge in a harmful spirit, surely that would have damaged their being and practice enough to not have allowed them to come back? But Trijang Rinpoche, Rabgya Rinpoche, Lama Zopa, Lama Osel (Lama Yeshe's incarnation), Zong Rinpoche etc are all back among us and practicing and teaching the Dharma as perfectly as they did in their previous lives. Is this the result and "work" of a bad spirit? Why is it that the results of practicing this "bad" spirit is that Dharma is continuing to grow and flourish more than ever before!
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I've been thinking about this post for a few days. And wanted to add that in spite of all the accusations of Dorje Shugden harming people, there hasn't ever actually been any evidence to support this. Why doesn't anyone realise this very simple little fact?
And if he really was as harmful as they say he is, then why are all the high lamas who have practiced him in their previous lives all returned as perfect unmistaken incarnations? If they had taken refuge in a harmful spirit, surely that would have damaged their being and practice enough to not have allowed them to come back? But Trijang Rinpoche, Rabgya Rinpoche, Lama Zopa, Lama Osel (Lama Yeshe's incarnation), Zong Rinpoche etc are all back among us and practicing and teaching the Dharma as perfectly as they did in their previous lives. Is this the result and "work" of a bad spirit? Why is it that the results of practicing this "bad" spirit is that Dharma is continuing to grow and flourish more than ever before!
Because, the people who also perceive that Dorje Shugden can harm are also the people that Sharmar Rinpoche refer to as package believers, that is they believe everything that is thrown to them without questioning. They just want to believe that it is bad without any supporting reasons, because investigating can be tiring and confusing and not everyone is up for that. Many of these people choose not to see or believe that those Lamas actually came back, and the bulk of people that are anti Dorje Shugden also happens to be not Gelug also, for example they could be Nyingma or Sakya or Kagyu. However, it is still a sad sight to see when Gelugs actually denounce Dorje Shugden because that is their lineage
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Now that's really funny, I have so many friends and family memeers who practise Dorje Shugden but I don't see anything bad happens to them. We all have our own karma to purify, there's no one we can blame it on. Its weird how some people would blame everything on Dorje Shugden and never really looked inside themselves and figure out what's wrong with THEM ...