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Title: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: vajraD on May 07, 2012, 12:29:53 AM
If you have a million dollars hard earn money in hand and you would like to donate them. Would you choose to give to the homeless, orphanage, old folks home or a dharma centre?
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: brian on May 07, 2012, 12:40:23 AM
My reply to you will be to a Dharma Center. Dharma center is a 'hub' of benefiting sentient beings (i am talking about even spirits) through mantra chanting or a Dharma teachings. This is a place that transcend Buddha's teachings to everyone who comes for it. This is also a place where sentient beings come to receive help or to become a better person and plant seeds of enlightenment into their minds.

Hence it is very beneficial for whoever donates to a Dharma Centers. It is more beneficial than to do other charity as explained above. With Dharma Centers, one could help the orphans, old folks home and homeless what not. May everyone's suffering be eradicated with Dharma!
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: yontenjamyang on May 07, 2012, 04:30:45 AM
The main objective of unattained ordinary Dharma practitioners in our lives are to to accumulate merits and wisdom. Merits are generated only through the kindness of the Guru by doing any work of the Guru. Otherwise any act of goodness can only be deemed to have generated good karma. Hence, one should seek out a Guru suitable to one's aptitude and hopefully the Guru also agrees to having one as a disciple. Then one should take refuge in the Guru to seal the Guru-disciple relationship. Then by the power of good Samaya to the Guru, any act in accordance with the Guru's wishes and aspirations can be consider to have generated merits. Of course it also depends on the motivation of the disciple in doing this work.

As such, if one has the money (any amount), one should donate to the Dharma Center rather then any other charities. Via the Dharma center, the money can then be channeled to support the Center, the Sangha, the Dharma work which may include orphanages, retirement homes or any needy causes. This is the wiser way to gain merits. Beyond money, one should work for the Dharma via the center as a way of serving the Guru. There can of course be other ways to serve the Guru as per the Guru's instructions.

Through serving the Guru, the Center and practicing the Dharma in our daily endeavors especially practicing the 8 verses of mind transformation and most importantly through studying the Lamrim/sutras and practicing the teachings, contemplation and prayers one accumulates wisdom.

As merits and wisdom goes hand in hand, by accumulating one we indirectly gain the other, we need to be wise that we need to strike a balance with both.  That is to say, we should not be over zealous in focusing on merits and forget about wisdom. Hence, if we know that the orphanage needs the money more than the Dharma center, of course then we should apply wisdom and donate to the orphanage.

So, it all depends on the situation.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Dolce Vita on May 08, 2012, 12:13:12 AM
Before knowing dharma, I think I would most likely donate it to an orphanage, to help them with their education. Now that I understand what spiritual practice really is, I would donate the money to a dharma centre.

Dharma is a subject area that really deal with our mind, how we perceive things and and people around us, how to deal with negativity in any situation. It is a method for us to change our lives by us taking full control of it. Giving money to people is to help them at a superficial level, if their hungry, we feed them; if they do not have money to go to school, we support them. But those things that we give them does not really help the in understanding how to solve their problems in difficulties, how to make bring harmony to their surrounding. Dharma on the other hand emphasises on good virtues, how to deal with difficulties, how to move on, how to bring harmony to our surrounding. It makes the poors rich.

How many rich people out there are truly happy? How many highly educated people are bringing harmony to the surrounding? What is lacking? I think dharma is the answer.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: kurava on May 08, 2012, 12:48:36 AM
I would give 50% to the dharma centre and the rest to charity homes.

Spiritual organization exists to benefit people not only in this life time and the contribution we give will therefore help generate merits necessary to support our practice.

However, just like what a dharma protector functions to remove obstacles and bestow conducive conditions to practitioners by providing wealth, stability and clarity in mind, with wealth we can also do the same for others.

There are spiritual organizations eg. the Tzu Zhi organisation that channel funds to build orphanages, hospitals and old folks home. Through such efforts, thousands join these temples/centres. Ordinary people cannot relate the supra mundane benefits arise from donations towards spiritual centres but if a spiritual organisation engages in community works that bring immediate relief /benefits to the people, these actions will be the manifestation of the "compassion" Buddhism preaches. When people can see what they get, naturally they will be motivated to walk the spiritual path.

This avenue is nothing new, the Christian missionary has adopted this hundreds of years ago.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: pgdharma on May 08, 2012, 02:46:52 PM
My answer would be to a dharma center. By donating to the dharma center, we are supporting the dharma center to provide a comfortable and conducive environment for spiritual seekers to learn so that they can develop inner and outer peace. Every sentient being wants to be happy and we always look for happiness in the secular world.  However, spiritual practice is about nurturing our mind and with the transformation of our perspective and how we look at things we can change our mind  from negative to positive. From our transformation, when we have a limitless capacity for love, peace and happiness we will be able to help others in need. We will be able to cut off our self cherishing mind and provide food to the homeless, care and help the old folks and orphanages or any needy organizations. If there is no mind transformation, no matter how much money we have, we will not be able to let go of it due to our attachment. I believe most of us will not even consider donating our hard earned money to any charitable organizations but will instead spend it on our selves. 
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Jessie Fong on May 09, 2012, 06:20:36 AM
I would divide my wealth between the charitable organisations and the dharma centre. 

Supporting the dharma centre is essential as it exists to be the nerve centre for the flourishing of dharma.  When a dharma centre has funds, it is able to apply the money into various projects to bring dharma to people e.g. dharma classes, community projects, children's classes.

Giving to charitable organisations will help in a small way to ensure their well beings, to provide better health benefits, to assist in providing education to orphans.

Either way, the money goes to helping others in the end.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: nagaseeker on May 09, 2012, 06:46:26 AM
The main objective of unattained ordinary Dharma practitioners in our lives are to to accumulate merits and wisdom. Merits are generated only through the kindness of the Guru by doing any work of the Guru. Otherwise any act of goodness can only be deemed to have generated good karma. Hence, one should seek out a Guru suitable to one's aptitude and hopefully the Guru also agrees to having one as a disciple. Then one should take refuge in the Guru to seal the Guru-disciple relationship. Then by the power of good Samaya to the Guru, any act in accordance with the Guru's wishes and aspirations can be consider to have generated merits. Of course it also depends on the motivation of the disciple in doing this work.

As such, if one has the money (any amount), one should donate to the Dharma Center rather then any other charities. Via the Dharma center, the money can then be channeled to support the Center, the Sangha, the Dharma work which may include orphanages, retirement homes or any needy causes. This is the wiser way to gain merits. Beyond money, one should work for the Dharma via the center as a way of serving the Guru. There can of course be other ways to serve the Guru as per the Guru's instructions.

Through serving the Guru, the Center and practicing the Dharma in our daily endeavors especially practicing the 8 verses of mind transformation and most importantly through studying the Lamrim/sutras and practicing the teachings, contemplation and prayers one accumulates wisdom.

As merits and wisdom goes hand in hand, by accumulating one we indirectly gain the other, we need to be wise that we need to strike a balance with both.  That is to say, we should not be over zealous in focusing on merits and forget about wisdom. Hence, if we know that the orphanage needs the money more than the Dharma center, of course then we should apply wisdom and donate to the orphanage.

So, it all depends on the situation.
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Great answer yontenjamyang ~
If i have a million dollars hard earn money in hand, i would donate 800k to dharma center.To me, Dharma center is a 'Hospital' where cure n heal ppl by providing conducive environment and knowledge .For long term wise , we should support dharma center so that more n more ppl gain knowledge from the center and develop compassion then there will be more ppl to help homeless, orphanage, old folks home, ect... we can't do much by ourself  but together we can combine the resources n help for long term ~
For the balance of 200k i will use it to invest so that i could continue to donate and never stop doing that !  :P
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Q on May 09, 2012, 06:52:17 AM
Well... most Dharma centres are involved in many charity organisations, be it old folks, orphanages, animal shelters etc... so I'd definitely give the funds to a Dharma centre lol! Talk about killing 2 birds with 1 stone...

More importantly, we all know that monetary aid to these charity organisations do not bring much benefit except for relieving some of their material difficulties. However, when donated to a Dharma centre, the donation we make helps people in several levels.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: dondrup on May 11, 2012, 04:09:15 AM
If I have a million dollars to donate away, i will donate to Dharma centres. Dharma centres are established to benefit all sentient beings not just in this life but for many future lives to come.  On our own, it is not easy to reach out to benefit countless others, however, when we donate money to Dharma centres, we are able to benefit countless sentient beings. 

Does it mean that it is not beneficial to donate money to the homeless, orphanage and old folks home? No. The homeless, orphanage and old folks home are worthy recipients of donations too.  If the homeless, orphanage and old folks home are in urgent need of funds to sustain their operations, then priority must be given to them. We are still benefiting others by donating to the homeless, orphanage and old folks home.

In short, it is making sure that the funds available are put to good use in the best possible manner.  Setting aside part of the funds to generate continuous funds for charity is a good option as mentioned by Nagaseeker.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Carpenter on May 11, 2012, 04:55:14 AM
When we have money to donate, regardless of 1 million or any amount, we must know how to max out the benefit, donating to Old folk home and orphanage home is very good and meritorious, but if use this same amount to donate to a dharma centre, as the nature of a dharma centre, it will be able to help more people. Same as what everyone are saying here, the range that a dharma centre can help is far much wider and further.
In the end, we must know why do we want to donate the money?
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Jessie Fong on May 11, 2012, 12:20:19 PM
When we have money to donate, regardless of 1 million or any amount, we must know how to max out the benefit, donating to Old folk home and orphanage home is very good and meritorious, but if use this same amount to donate to a dharma centre, as the nature of a dharma centre, it will be able to help more people. Same as what everyone are saying here, the range that a dharma centre can help is far much wider and further.
In the end, we must know why do we want to donate the money?
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Carpenter : Having said so ... In the end, we must know why do we want to donate the money? ... if our intent is only to benefit beings, does it matter then whether the money is donated to a dharma centre or to any charitable organisations?  As I see it, in this case, the money goes out to benefit, regardless of race, culture or creed, and if I may add any being.

So if the intent is to help, then it does not matter who it goes to, right?  As long as the funds are properly channelled?  Cause when it comes to help, there must never be a distinction nor must there be an expectation that it must be reciprocate.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: ratanasutra on May 11, 2012, 03:50:43 PM
If I have a millions dollar I will donate all to Dharma Centre as it will benefit most of sentient beings as simple as the Dharma centre is the place that help people out from suffering in both physical and mental.

Indeed every month we should make some donation to temple or Dharma centre to support  the growing of Buddism.  Dharma centre is a place which have practitioners who follow Buddha teaching and the place that teach the Buddha teaching with the practice along, we all also can learn the Dharma from Dharma centre. 
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Reena Searl on May 11, 2012, 07:14:56 PM
If i have million dollars , I will donate all to Dharma centre,

Think about what the value of Dharma and your Teacher is to you.

Think about what other things you spend money and time on, and reflect whether they are truly bringing you lasting happiness.

Since i have a better understanding in Dharma, When vacations, buying clothes and electronics, I reflect on my Dharma practice and purchase wisely and always having Dharma budget in mind.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Tenzin K on May 11, 2012, 11:59:25 PM
Personally I would choose to donate to a dharma centre.  A dharma centre, they preserve and spread the teachings of Buddhism. It’s a spiritual school that makes us understand the truth of life, the purposes of life and from there how we can transform our mind to benefit more people. From this point more spiritual which consist of good qualities (kindness, compassion, non-selfish and etc.) people are form or develop and definitely from the people there are able to benefit more being inclusive other charity organization.

The key here is the dharma centre able to mold a great being for bigger purposes and eventually it will serve and benefit all people, all other charitable organization, all beings that we can see and some ses can’t and not just for this life time but for so many future lives time to come.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Tammy on May 12, 2012, 01:25:39 AM
I would not commit to a certain percentage for donation.. Instead i will observe the operations, history and most importantly the people, the committee behind each organization that under consideration. I would even gone as far as getting very involve in their work, join the activities, get to know the people behind them before I make my decision.

It would choose to donate to organizations which are conserve, transparent and their work would benefit as many people as possible without discrimination against race, religion and creed.

Anyway, to support a good cause, one million is very little.. I wish I would have at least one billion at my disposal !! Om benza wiki bitana soha  8)
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Carpenter on May 12, 2012, 04:30:00 AM
I agree Tammy, I noticed that everyone here are talking about the same decision, which is donate money to a Dharma Centre. But, are we going to donate just like that? Is every Dharma Centre are good to donate?

When we make any donation, we should do it right, find out more before we do it, don’t donate just for the sake of donating, don’t just close your eyes, hand over the money, wipe your hand and that’s it. Have a right motivation, be more involve, make your donation worthwhile.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: bambi on May 12, 2012, 04:54:29 AM
This is quite funny as I can relate to what my mum said. A friend asked me what would I do IF I strike lottery and got millions of dollars. My mum answered "She'll donate it all to a temple!". LOL... Didn't know whether to laugh at the sarcasm of the comment or to be happy that my mum actually acknowledged it.
I would say I'd donate whatever I can to help either a Dharma center or charity homes. Even when I don't have enough money at times, I'd always donate however small the amount. Let's not talk about a million dollars but what comes from your heart and ability that counts.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: ilikeshugden on May 13, 2012, 03:34:25 AM
If I had a million dollars, I would give most to orphanages, soup kitchens and Dharma centres. If I had some money left over, I would buy a house to live in and a car maybe. I do not see a point to donate to just one type. If you have the money, donate to all.
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Post by: sonamdhargey on May 13, 2012, 08:48:29 AM
I would set up a investment fund or business and a percentage of the profits goes to the Dharma Centre or any charitable organisation i see fit and must be sustained for long periods as the Dharma Centres and charitable organisations are to benefit and help others not for just 1-2 years, but for many years to come. Why? Putting everything into any Dharma centre or charitable organisation is just one off and no more future income and how would it sustain by just depending on one off donations? I'll put the money to use to generate income for the centers be it Dharma or charity.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: vajratruth on May 13, 2012, 05:53:26 PM
In an ideal world I would give it all to my Lama and trust that my Lama would know best how to use the money to best benefit others whilst maximizing the karmic value of that donation for me. If I were to make the decision myself, it would be based on my own level of judgement, the foundation of which is worldly and single dimensional because I can only see the immediate.

I would love to give to orphanages and to other activities that provide humanitarian relief but I feel that it is also important to provide funds to help activities that create imprints and plant dharmic seeds in as many beings as possible.

In general, I feel that donations "yield" the most benefit if it were to go to things such as building funds for temples and monasteries, stupas or even statues for the public to enjoy.
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Post by: Big Uncle on May 13, 2012, 06:19:00 PM
Ooh! If I had that money, I would have a percentage goes towards my Lama, construction and building of large Buddha images like Dorje Shugden and finally to sustain myself so I can do some Dharma work. What sort of Dharma would I be considering? Perhaps, enroll myself into a learning institution to study the treatise and engage in some retreats as well. That would be ideal but then again, this is not an ideal world. It was a nice fantasy thought. Thank you.
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Post by: KhedrubGyatso on May 14, 2012, 04:45:32 AM
Being a Buddhist practitioner and understanding that religious institutions ned $$$ to grow and spread the teachings , I would be biased to support dharma centres with whatever resources I have. However it does not mean we cannot do our bit for social work and charity at the same time. It all depends on how well we strike this balance. If we only donate to spiritual centres, in the public's eyes and especially those who are non religious, we can be seen to be ' fanatical' and sectarian . Buddha's advice is to avoid extremes. We are seeking enlightenment within samsara . We need to live in accord with and abide by worldly norms and conventions. Increasingly, we are finding more religious institutions are engaging in community service etc in order to create the right image of manifest goodness for the public to relate and to earn their trust. Once their trust is gained, the process of introducing them to spirituality and higher values can proceed more easily.
I would apportion some resource to help needy charities etc. as a way to make connection with the public who can relate to such efforts and hence opening the way for us to reach out to them.
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Post by: negra orquida on May 15, 2012, 03:33:13 PM
I would donate a major percentage to the dharma centre, and on behalf of the dharma centre donate the balance to charities.  Why majority to dharma centre?  Because the benefits that the dharma centre can give to the public goes beyond this 1 lifetime.  Why donate some to charities on behalf of the centre? Not many people are fortunate enough to go to a dharma centre, so this is one way to establish a connection between the underprivileged with dharma.

This is assuming that the dharma centre does not already have a charity arm. E.g. if the dharma centre is Tzu Chi, then donating to the organisation is killing 2 birds with 1 stone.  I think most dharma centres would be involved in various forms of charity or social work, it is the inherent nature of the "industry".
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: kris on May 19, 2012, 06:41:34 PM
This is such a fun and interesting question :) I would donate all the money to Dharma center, or specifically, I will donate the money to a qualified Lama, and let him decide how to use the money. I was told that contribute directly to a Lama is most meritorious because all Lama activities are to benefit sentient beings. But what is most important when donating to Lama or temple is MOTIVATION. If our motivation is for better wealth, good fortune for self enjoyment, then we will not collect merits.

Also, I was told that when we donate to temple with a virtuous mind, no matter how the people use the money we will still collect merits, even if the people managing the Dharma center misuse the money.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: biggyboy on July 03, 2012, 12:28:15 PM
If I have one million to donate what would I do? What a nice question to ask ourselves.

I would donate to a dharma center, better still if there is an ongoing project in the dharma center that needs financial support. The donation is more specific and the financial support and energy can be directed to the specific cause.

I view donations to a dharma center more beneficial because the dharma center is a place for spiritual development but also supports orphanages, old folks home, soup kitchen and the homeless. It is like “killing two birds with one stone”, pardon my expression.
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: Jessie Fong on July 03, 2012, 01:19:15 PM
If you have a million dollars hard earn money in hand and you would like to donate them. Would you choose to give to the homeless, orphanage, old folks home or a dharma centre?


Come to think of it, I DON'T have a million dollars and I really would not know what to do if I have that sum.

All sounds good and well when we theorize but when we actually do have the million dollars in hand, we forget our wishes as we get overcome with so much money to spend, we become selfish thinking only of me me me when we start spending on ourselves only.  We become greedy, wanting to keep the money to ourselves.

We say we want to donate, we want to help -- if that does not happen, will it not be wishful thinking? 
Title: Re: Where would you place yr money too?
Post by: bambi on July 03, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
If you have a million dollars hard earn money in hand and you would like to donate them. Would you choose to give to the homeless, orphanage, old folks home or a dharma centre?


Come to think of it, I DON'T have a million dollars and I really would not know what to do if I have that sum.

All sounds good and well when we theorize but when we actually do have the million dollars in hand, we forget our wishes as we get overcome with so much money to spend, we become selfish thinking only of me me me when we start spending on ourselves only.  We become greedy, wanting to keep the money to ourselves.

We say we want to donate, we want to help -- if that does not happen, will it not be wishful thinking? 

It is definitely wishful thinking. Its the same concept as we saying we want to change and do more Dharma, more practices, more initiations but deep down we don't do much to support what we preach. Whatever the amount, we should always give because we want to and can afford to. Start small, whatever we can and then say that we are doing something, Not wait till we have 1 million dollars. For all I know, I might be dead before I can get the 1 million dollar to start giving.