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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: DS Star on April 17, 2012, 02:52:47 AM
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The new Tibetan National Anthem or the Gyallu is being adopted and widely used by all the Tibetans-in-exile. Though it is forbidden to be played in Chinese-controlled Tibet, most Tibetans in-exile know how to sing it, even the young kids know.
The poetic lyrics touched on the radiance of Buddha, the glory of Buddha's teachings (and the Dalai Lama) and most significantly the spirit of Tibetans to fight for their freedom.
"... In the battle against negative forces
may the auspicious sunshine of the teachings and beings of
Tibet and the brilliance of a myriad radiant prosperities
be ever triumphant."
Central Tibetan Administration publishes the full lyrics on its website:
http://tibet.net/about-tibet/tibetan-national-anthem/ (http://tibet.net/about-tibet/tibetan-national-anthem/)
One thing really amused me is that, the webpage didn't mentioned who wrote it. Seems the CTA officers though proudly promote this lyric but too ashamed to admit it was composed by none other than the great master they tried to discredit i.e. HH Trijang Dorje Chang.
Most of the senior Tibetans knew this fact but CTA is trying to hide the truth from the younger generations.
The following links confirmed the Gyallu was composed by HH Trijang Dorje Chang.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_National_Anthem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_National_Anthem)
http://www.nationalanthems.info/tib.htm (http://www.nationalanthems.info/tib.htm)
Shame on you CTA.
Tibetan National Anthem HD.mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk7laAhCguc#ws)
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Actually I dont think thats entirely true. I learned about the author of the Gyallu from a Tibetan mate of mine and he was most def under 60! To say its poetic is an understatement... its an extremely moving piece of writing when sung in Tibetan at protests.
But I get what your trying to say though. I dont get it how the CTA believes they will win back Tibet, when they themselves deny their roots and their origins... and their doing a fine job of it too, no need for the Chinese to help them!
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I wonder what the people in CTA actually do? Why spend time and effort working on the ban of Dorje Shugden's practice when there are so many good work that can be done for Tibetans? Why split Tibetans into different spiritual camps? Why make Tibetans suffer? Is there no conscience? Is this dharma?
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Same story goes on here for the CTA, why suppress HE Trijang Rinpoche who is well know to be a DS practitioner while still using the Gyallu composed by this holy master? If any DS practioner is evil and not to be associated with, then why adopt an evil National Anthem composed by none other than HE Trijang Rinpoche?
It will NEVER make sense with CTA.
The only way for CTA to be able to speak loudly and heads up to all Tibetans and infact to everyone is to LIFT THIS STUPID BAN AGAINST DORJE SHUGDEN.
If they consciously know who composed this Anthem and still use it, that tells me they are hiding or covering up something big.
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CTA will not get any results if all its policies including the ban is based on deception. They will not even be able to go to the negotiation table with the Chinese. The Chinese know that they do not have to parley with CTA as CTA is so so weak without the Dalai Lama as part of the administration.
Anyways not surprising to know it was Trijang Rinpoche who composed it, during the years when Trijang Dorje Chang's was still studying there were times he composed poem and these were very profound to read. Live long Trijang Dorje Chang to dispel the darkness of the beings and of our times.
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I wonder what the people in CTA actually do? Why spend time and effort working on the ban of Dorje Shugden's practice when there are so many good work that can be done for Tibetans? Why split Tibetans into different spiritual camps? Why make Tibetans suffer? Is there no conscience? Is this dharma?
I totally agree with you on this. Why bother to split your own people just because of the difference in practices? I am not saying I support what CTA is doing in getting back their own country, but WHY DON'T YOU UNITE ALL THE PEOPLE AND FIGHT FOR WHATEVER YOU BELIEVE? If you unite all the people, won't you have more people, more synergy? Even if you "punish" all the Dorje Shugden practitioners, what benefit did you get out of it? Why not lift the ban, make them happy, and they may even fight for you!!
Is CTA that dumb to understand this?
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The CTA was formerly headed by HH the Dalai Lama. Its Prime Minister was Samdhong Rinpoche, thought to be an emanation of Dorje Shugden and at the very least, he was a very strong Dorje Shugden practitioner. While we may think that the CTA is stubborn and stupid for maintaining this ban, I cannot help but think that their following the Dalai Lama’s direction is part of the bigger picture too. The recent change of head from the Dalai Lama to Dr Lobsang Sangay IS a step in the right direction though and while we can all hope, request and beg the CTA to be more fair to Dorje Shugden practitioners, I think things may not change until firstly, that Dorje Shugden practitioners are harmonious and create the causes for the ban to be lifted and secondly, that Dorje Shugden himself decides the time is right.
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DS practitioners are supposed to be bad and evil. HE Trijang Rinpoche is a great DS practitioner. Does that mean that the Gyallu composed by HE Trijang Rinpoche is bad too. Then why CTA adopt and use this Gyallu. Are they that dumb not knowing that it is composed by a DS practitioner?
"The poetic lyrics touched on the radiance of Buddha, the glory of Buddha's teachings (and the Dalai Lama) and most significantly the spirit of Tibetans to fight for their freedom" May all the people in their country have religious freedom and be united as one. In order to be united the ban must be lifted.
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Beautiful lyrics to the National Anthem, with compassion, harmony and peace as its essence in addition to the spread of the Buddha's doctrine. I already like the opening lyric to the anthem:
"Let the radiant light shine of Buddha’s wish-fulfilling gem teachings,
the treasure chest of all hopes for happiness and benefit"
Showing that Tibetans recognize and recalls how precious and benefical the teachings of the Buddha is, how it is the only source for real, unwavering happiness. They liken the teachings/doctrine of Buddha to something extremely precious as the treasure chest, which would give one hope, happiness and benefit. How profound.
Anyways, an anthem promoting peace and harmony, but in reality, are the Tibetans really promoting this? Is CTA really doing this? I feel that not only the CTA has to change their mindset and lift the ban, the general Tibetans, who are non-DS practitioners, should also stand up for and welcome their fellow countrymen/women (who are shugdenpas) with open arms.
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It is sad that the CTA go through such lengths to cover such facts and implement the ban which is not important for Tibetan unity at all. If they know the Dharma, they would know that it is detrimental to Tibetan unity. Not recognizing the author of the Gyalu is just the tip of the iceberg. They are blatantly persecuting practitioners and many High Lamas who practice Dorje Shugden, out of which many are highly attained.
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Perhaps the reason why they are using the Gyallu as their National Anthem and not mentioning the composer is HHDL's instruction. Or CTA can't find another person who can compose another National Anthem better than this. There are so many possible reasons.
Whatever the reasons may be, we will all know as time goes by. The grand plan will unveil itself. So to expedite the process, it is our duty to disseminate information about Dorje Shugden and it's practice. Many people are educated and have easy access to information around the world. The more people know about the facts of Dorje Shugden and the discrimination towards Dorje Shugden practitioners, the more ineffective the ban will become.
We must all do our parts consistently so that the ban will be lifted sooner.
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It is sad that the CTA go through such lengths to cover such facts and implement the ban which is not important for Tibetan unity at all. If they know the Dharma, they would know that it is detrimental to Tibetan unity. Not recognizing the author of the Gyalu is just the tip of the iceberg. They are blatantly persecuting practitioners and many High Lamas who practice Dorje Shugden, out of which many are highly attained.
I think this isn't anything new within the Tibetan rulers. If they can remove the name of HH Trijiang Dorje Chang from the sets of mantras needed to be inserted into a holy statue of Buddha, why can't they do the same with the song? We have to understand the mind set of an average Tibetan isn't that patriotic after all. They do as they are taught and nothing further. It is only in the outside world which we see what is exactly happening within the Tibetan circle.
Being a Buddhist of the Tibetan tradition, it makes me think how much influence and benefit which Lama Tsongkhapa's teachings have brought the Tibetan society up till today. Yet the very people who provide us with these precious teachings are the people destroying it.
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It seems like they're digging a deeper and deeper hole for themselves. Cover up after cover up, trying to hide the truth from the innocent. I hope they know the repercussions. I hope that in the future none of this will exist, I mean after all there is the saying that the truth always prevails. They obviously know it was composed by HH Trijang Rinpoche, so what game are they trying to play? Brainwashing young minds, or maybe it is an honest mistake. I hope it is just a mistake.
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CTA has failed in so many of their works. The failures arising from denying cause and effect, guru samaya, respect of all religious worship, human rights violations against those who do not accept their version of governing. Their failure will continue to be more and more clear. The very fact they are not recognized as the EXILE TIBETAN GOVERNMENT and downgraged to Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) says alot. No government in the world will stand up with definite action for them against China.
CTA not recognizing their National Anthem was written by H.H. Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche is not surprising. They have denied all the other contributions by this great master. They have attempted to turn this master into some sort of false, mistake prone old monk. Who has no wisdom and attainments. These days to mention Trijang Rinpoche's name within the Tibetan community automatically puts Tibetans on guard because Trijang Rinpoche is synonymous with Shugden.
Trijang Rinpoche has so many other accomplishments besides his practice of Shugden. But the Tibetan govt has made him into some sort of negative association for now. Sad. But this cannot last. Trijang Rinpoche will achieve great works again for sure. The very fact he has a centre and practices quietly in the US tells you he is buying time for the right moment to open up and do more. If the current Trijang Rinpoche is not interested in Dharma works, he would never open up a Dharma centre with acres of retreat land. He quietly travels to places like Mongolia to give teachings and greet hundreds.
CTA's karma has caught up, now they are called the CTA not Tibetan Govt. More karma will arise for them. All the pains, confusion and hurt they have created with their infamous and unjust Shugden ban will return to them. Within five years some high lamas have mentioned, the Shugden issue will resolve positively in favor of the Shugden practitioners which number into the millions around the world. I believe what the High lamas predict. :D Let's wait for that great day when the sun shines out from behind the clouds over the horizon of devoted practitioners.
Tk
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CTA's karma has caught up, now they are called the CTA not Tibetan Govt. More karma will arise for them. All the pains, confusion and hurt they have created with their infamous and unjust Shugden ban will return to them. Within five years some high lamas have mentioned, the Shugden issue will resolve positively in favor of the Shugden practitioners which number into the millions around the world. I believe what the High lamas predict. Let's wait for that great day when the sun shines out from behind the clouds over the horizon of devoted practitioners.
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What a great news. Within 5 years the issue will be resolve in favor of us the practitioners. Then all can practice openly and the practice can spread even wider and can benefit more. I believe this will happen because Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche's lineage lamas can never be wrong. DS lamas can never be wrong. DS can never be wrong.
We need to work hard to practice well, to spread the practice more, so that when the issue is solved, we will be ready to step up onto the global stage.
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Firstly, I would like to comment on the national anthem. The words are very beautiful. It is a reflection that the previous Trijang Rinpoche was truly a poet and a great teacher
The fact that the current Trijang Rinpoche is developing a Dharma Centers and still teach Dharma regardless of the difficulties imposed upon him by CTA is no small matters and it means that there is light at the end of the tunnel. My precious Lama once said that if the incarnation of high lama with Bodhicitta are met with hopeless condition that will prevent them to accomplish their Dharma objectives, the incarnation can choose to die young. The very fact that the current incarnation of Trijang Rinpoche is still alive despite of obstacles faced, means that these obstacles will end sometimes in the near future. After all nothing, including the ban is permanent.
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Firstly, I would like to comment on the national anthem. The words are very beautiful. It is a reflection that the previous Trijang Rinpoche was truly a poet and a great teacher
The fact that the current Trijang Rinpoche is developing a Dharma Centers and still teach Dharma regardless of the difficulties imposed upon him by CTA is no small matters and it means that there is light at the end of the tunnel. My precious Lama once said that if the incarnation of high lama with Bodhicitta are met with hopeless condition that will prevent them to accomplish their Dharma objectives, the incarnation can choose to die young. The very fact that the current incarnation of Trijang Rinpoche is still alive despite of obstacles faced, means that these obstacles will end sometimes in the near future. After all nothing, including the ban is permanent.
This is so true... and regardless of the chaos the Ban has created, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche still continues his Dharma work. Now if there was no hope of the Ban being lifted... and no future for Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to spread the Dharma... then obviously he would incarnate to a better time. So definitely there is hope, there is a reason for everything and why all this is happening and yet despite the traumas... more and more Dorje Shugden monasteries are appearing.
And also why would the previous H.H. Ganden Tripa Lungri Namgyel write an official letter confering upon Trijang Buddhist Institute the authority to represent and transmit the teachings of the Gelug order of Tibetan Buddhism in the United States. Thus authorized, Trijang Buddhist Institute is dedicated to preserving, representing, and transmitting the Buddhist teachings of the Gelug tradition. http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=241&cpage=1#comment-15 (http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=241&cpage=1#comment-15)
And if we dare say that the Gaden Tripa is wrong, then we might as well say that HHDL is also wrong as the previous 13th Dalai Lama who was a student of the then Gaden Tripa. Then in this case everyone is wrong, so why do we then trust any Lamas for that matter... http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=516.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=516.0)
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Every single Gelug monk of our generation comes directly or indirectly from either Trijang Rinppche or Pabongkha Rinpoche, and so to say that either of these masters are wrong would be tantamount to saying that Gelugpa has degenerated and that nobody should be a Gelug as they are tainted by Dorje Shugden and because of that they are evil and they are not Buddhists. Sounds ridiculous?
As ridiculous as it may seem, some Buddhist schools advice their students that way. I have seen Nyigma and Sakya students say something like this in the now defunct esangha forum. The statements were later retracted, with the posters claiming that they did not realize the importance of these lamas to the Gelug. But who taught them to say those things? it was none other than their own lamas!
And HHDL wanted unity. What unity when everyone IS against Gelug secretly? Nobody wants to admit this directly but they tell their students that any lama whose lama and whose lama has received Dorje Shugden is tainted! what kind of talk is that if not to produce irrational fear against the Gelugs so that potential gelugs would go to their side? To me, this is blatant sectarianism but in a sneaky and disgusting way.
I am half glad that HHDL announced the ban to expose such stupid behavior amongst certain lamas who make such outrageous statements, but it has yet to be brought to light. Perhaps HHDL is baiting them to say these out in the open and then chide them to expose their true nature. I do not like this practice at all, but nobody except HHDL can do something about this and I feel that the ban is one of them.
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Usually, a national anthem is a representation of unity and harmony within the people. Its purpose is to evoke the country's struggles of the past, culture, beliefs, traditions and history. It is usually played during national festivals and holidays to inspire its citizens to honor their homeland with great joy and pride.
This national anthem by HH Trijang Rinpoche was most likely composed with the purpose to strengthen patriotic feelings of the Tibetan people. There was a report that states that the anthem was presented to the 14th Dalai Lama in the 1960s, after he went into exile. This clearly shows that Trijang Rinpoche cared for preserving one of the most important tradition in the Tibetan culture which is Buddhism. A reminder that with the lost of their country, one should not lose their beliefs. This is what I personally believe. As a composer of this anthem, Trijang Rinpoche is not some lame lama but a highly esteem lama of all times.
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The CTA was formerly headed by HH the Dalai Lama. Its Prime Minister was Samdhong Rinpoche, thought to be an emanation of Dorje Shugden and at the very least, he was a very strong Dorje Shugden practitioner. While we may think that the CTA is stubborn and stupid for maintaining this ban, I cannot help but think that their following the Dalai Lama’s direction is part of the bigger picture too. The recent change of head from the Dalai Lama to Dr Lobsang Sangay IS a step in the right direction though and while we can all hope, request and beg the CTA to be more fair to Dorje Shugden practitioners, I think things may not change until firstly, that Dorje Shugden practitioners are harmonious and create the causes for the ban to be lifted and secondly, that Dorje Shugden himself decides the time is right.
This is one perspective I like and I do agree completely. If we really love Dorje Shugden and want the whole ban to be lifted, we should really practice what is most dear to DS. Working harmoniously and transformation of the mind. That would be far better then focusing on the unfairness of the whole situation. Instead of being negative about it which is probably what they are expecting from us, we should gain strength and fight back the right way by doing more.... spreading and educating about DS more to others. For one we can definitely promote this website all the wonderful things this site has to offer to make Dorje Shugden available to the world!
I cannot help but think if there was no ban and all was cozy and nice.... then Dorje Shugden monasteries and activities would never arise and be growing at the rate it is growing! In a positive light it has brought Dorje Shugden explosion to the world.
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Within five years some high lamas have mentioned, the Shugden issue will resolve positively in favor of the Shugden practitioners which number into the millions around the world. I believe what the High lamas predict. :D Let's wait for that great day when the sun shines out from behind the clouds over the horizon of devoted practitioners.
Tk
How exciting! I am glad that it would be resolved so quickly! It is really nice and comforting to know this. I am dying to know which Lama came out with this prediction but then again, airing the Lama's name would be a dangerous thing to do. I also wonder what would happen at that time that would trigger the whole ban on Dorje Shugden to go down. Now, that should be a thread all on its own...
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CTA's karma has caught up, now they are called the CTA not Tibetan Govt. More karma will arise for them. All the pains, confusion and hurt they have created with their infamous and unjust Shugden ban will return to them. Within five years some high lamas have mentioned, the Shugden issue will resolve positively in favor of the Shugden practitioners which number into the millions around the world. I believe what the High lamas predict. :D Let's wait for that great day when the sun shines out from behind the clouds over the horizon of devoted practitioners.
Tk
I cant wait till that day when the ban is lifted, I can't imagine the faces of those anti-shugdenpas including those in CTA would look like when shugdenpas can walk with our heads up and do our practice openedly.
Even Trijang Rinpoche has predicted the conflict between Dorje Shugden and HH Dalai Lama and asked practitioners to be patient and not to lose faith in HH Dalai Lama or Dorje Shugden. There would be a silver lining after the storm.
In the meantime, as practitioners, we should continue to promote harmony among ourselves and other practitioners and disseminate information in whichever ways we can.
I am hopeful of that day to come and telling myself to be patient and just do our part. I am sure Dorje Shugden will manifest conditions when the time is RIGHT!
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Everyone knows about it, everyone knows about the truth so there's no point of feeling shameful or to hide. There's no need to be ashamed if you didn't do anything wrong, right?
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Surprise that the National Anthem for Tibetan in exile is composed by H.H Trijang Rinpoche. I am more suprise that CTA can do anything to deny the truth facts once it is related to Dorje Shugden. CTA can just hide, lie etc just to imposed on this ban to get the best benefit they can. This included they do not even care on the suffering of the refugees with stay in same camp with them. All they want, is to gain control on their people.
Shame on CTA. By doing so, they have actually destroy the dharma.
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How long one can hide the truth? There is a Chinese quote that said "You can't wrap fire in paper." One day, the truth will prevail.
Please stop lying and hiding the truth. Lift the ban.
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Evidence that CTA is lying about who wrote the Tibetan National Anthem! I am not surprised as the Dalai Lama already said that His tutor Trijang Rinpoche is wrong about DS how can he be the author of the National Anthem.
CTA and Dalai Lama stop lying. Let the truth prevail and lift the Ban.