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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Mana on January 01, 2012, 09:06:59 PM

Title: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Mana on January 01, 2012, 09:06:59 PM: This statement appears in every forms of Amitabha Buddhist Center, Singapore (http://www.fpmtabc.org/ (http://www.fpmtabc.org/)), whether it is a trip to attend Dalai Lama's teaching in South East Asia, Kalachakra, or a trip to Dharamsala. On top of name, passpost number, addresses etc personal details, you need to declare that you do not practice Dorje Shugden first.

Huh? Practicing Dorje Shugden has become like drug trafficking? You have to declare on your arrival form that you do not carry any illegal drugs when you are going to certain countries, and now you have to declare that you do not practice Dorje Shugden before you are allowed to go on a trip? ? ? ? ? ? ?

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Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: kris on January 02, 2012, 03:08:19 PM: Come on!!

HH Dalai Lama talks about freedom & compassionate! Can we have some freedom to practice here?!

I am wondering if this statement/declaration is a direct instruction from HH Dalai Lama himself, or it is just something made up by his people... reminds me of what 5th Dalai Lama's students who stuffed the khata...
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Lawrence L on January 03, 2012, 07:13:50 PM: This kind of action contributed to the unfreedom of belief within the Buddhist society.
Dorje Shugden practice says nothing bad about the Dalai Lama, teaches nothing bad about the Dalai Lama, and what the practitioner learn, is just same as the other Buddhist.
Why they never get the same right to learn the beautiful Dharma from the Dalai Lama?
Did the old Trijang Rinpoche, the Dorje Shugden practitioner harmed the Dalai Lama during the past? Then why stop the Dorje Shugden practitioner from learning equally as the other people?

This is not the way which a Buddhist should act!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: triesa on January 04, 2012, 02:16:38 PM: It is madness to see this, this anti-Shugden sentiments has come to a point that it becomes redicluous and irritating.

I wonder if such declaration would appear later on as below :

1) Are you born from parents who are Dorje shugden practitioners?
2) Have you been in contact in the past 14 days with Dorje Shugden practitioners??
3) Have you visited any temples in the past 3 months that has a Dorje shugden statue???

If you call yourselves buddhists, just stop being rediculous please! Start practising Equanimity
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: hope rainbow on January 04, 2012, 05:22:39 PM: In case nobody knew about Dorje Shugden yet and wanted to go and meet the Dalai Lama, there was no better way to let them know about this Dharmapala.
I would just have improved the text like this though:

I HEREBY DECLARE AND CATEGORICALLY STATE THAT I AM NOT A DORJE SHUGDEN PRACTITIONER AND AM NOT IN CIRCUMSTANCES ASSOCIATED OR AFFILIATED IN WHATEVER MANNER WITH SUCH PRACTICE AND/OR ORGANIZATION. FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE MATTER REFER TO THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: www.dorjeshugden.com (http://www.dorjeshugden.com)

That'd would have been real cool... Grin ;D
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Barzin on January 04, 2012, 06:15:33 PM: I mean seriously, how do you tell whether a person is practicing Dorje Shugden? Of course, by signing up a form stating that you do not practice but you actually do it's bad karma and everything and there is definitely no point to even lie. We should be proud to be able to receive such practice at times like this. While the world is talking bad about this practice, now almost every single Buddhist form you see a name of Dorje Shugden on it. Even the name has planted a dharma seed in our mind stream. In other words, Dorje Shugden is everywhere! The more his name appears, the more people will ban and talk about it. Those who are lucky will begin to practice. The practice will grow. The more you don't give us freedom, the more freedom Dorje Shugden gets. Keep talking, keep doing, and keep it going!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: dondrup on January 04, 2012, 07:47:45 PM: Barzin is right, each time a person reads this clause, that person reads out Dorje Shugden’s name. It is equivalent to reciting a Buddha’s name! How wonderful! A seed of Enlightenment will be planted in the readers’ mind.

This clause will only attract and arouse people’s attention to want to know why there is a need to declare the non-association and practice of Dorje Shugden (DS). People will question why Dalai lama (HHDL) is biased toward Dorje Shugden practitioners. In short, the clause is very effective in attracting new people to learn more about DS.

How can FPMT tell if someone had chosen to lie – with no intention of harming - because they sincerely want to attend HHDL’s teaching? FPMT does not realize that people will be offended with this type of restrictive clause because the clause reflects its discrimination and prejudice! Aren’t Buddhists supposed to practise equanimity?

Even with this clause, some will lie just to attend HHDL’s teachings. Isn’t non-harming a virtue that Buddhists practise? The clause indirectly will bring harm to others because others had to lie to attend HHDL’s teaching. It is saddening to know that people had to lie to listen to Dharma!

The clause in this form will do the opposite of banning the DS practice. Instead it will encourage the growth and spread of DS practice!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: WisdomBeing on January 04, 2012, 07:49:09 PM: Barzin, that's a great way of looking at it. Every attendee of HH the Dalai Lama's teachings will have to read the words Dorje Shugden, even though some of them shudder to see his name!!! *Yes, another Harry Potter moment!*

It does amaze me still - if we take it at face value - that HH Dalai Lama highlights Dorje Shugden at every available moment. There are many demons out there, i'm sure, and legions of them, so why does the Dalai Lama pick on Dorje Shugden? Up til today, there is not a shred of proof that Dorje Shugden is a demon. If there was, the anti-Shugden brigade would be happy to highlight them, but the fact is - there isn't. In fact, everything points to Dorje Shugden NOT being a demon, except for the Dalai Lama's say so.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: ilikeshugden on January 10, 2012, 10:46:55 AM: I completely agree with WisdomBeing. All of these words regarding Dorje Shugden being a demon are only through the Dalai Lama's mouth. There is no further proof that he is a demon. There are so many legions of demons out there, why would His Holiness want to just pick on Dorje Shugden. It is because through this ban, His Holiness managed to promote Dorje Shugden. If he did not want anyone to practice Dorje Shugden, he would just make people forget about him, right? Regarding this form, I think it is very silly to have to say that you do not practice Dorje Shugden if you are going to Dharamsala and other stuff like that. I think that would demote freedom even when the Dalai Lama loves freedom. It contradicts.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: DharmaSpace on January 10, 2012, 06:20:12 PM: Dorje Shugden practitioners do not serve, love care and resources because they practise Dorje Shugden. I have met monks who came from Shar Gaden before they are really practise as they can bear difficulty and despite the ban affecting many aspects of their lives and many Tibetans shun and ostracize them, they bear it with a lot of dignity like how spiritual practitioners should be.

I will practise compassion to all beings except Dorje Shugden practitioners. Is that really a path to enlightenment? Did Buddha love everyone except one or two beings in the universe?
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: kris on June 16, 2012, 05:08:51 PM: This kind of small gestures always amaze me.. These people are really indeed too free to do anything else... Why not spend the energy to spread Dharma..

If people have to declare that they are not Dorje Shugden practitioners, then why not also declare that they do not worship other gods or evil? There are so many people in the world who practices evils or spirits practice for self gain and hurt others, why not ask them to declare too?

All I know is that the practice of Dorje Shugden is to ask me to be a better person and serve others. What is wrong with that? Why do we need to declare??
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: negra orquida on June 16, 2012, 05:30:45 PM: Quote from: hope rainbow on January 04, 2012, 05:22:39 PM
In case nobody knew about Dorje Shugden yet and wanted to go and meet the Dalai Lama, there was no better way to let them know about this Dharmapala.
I would just have improved the text like this though:

I HEREBY DECLARE AND CATEGORICALLY STATE THAT I AM NOT A DORJE SHUGDEN PRACTITIONER AND AM NOT IN CIRCUMSTANCES ASSOCIATED OR AFFILIATED IN WHATEVER MANNER WITH SUCH PRACTICE AND/OR ORGANIZATION. FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE MATTER REFER TO THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: [url=http://www.dorjeshugden.com]www.dorjeshugden.com[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com[/url])

That'd would have been real cool... Grin ;D

heheh good one Rainbow! at first i thought well this was ridiculous.... my friend lives in a country where there are many different ethnicities and religious beliefs, and until now the government still wants to distinguish the people according to race and religion in the official registration forms, he told me that that is so annoying! his view is that, we live in the same country, why want to create a distinction? how does it help build a harmonious nation. what Amitabha Buddhist Centre is doing with this form is just like how my friend's country's government is doing to it citizens.

however Rainbow's view here is a positive way to look at this :D
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: dsiluvu on June 16, 2012, 05:31:10 PM: Oh my lord! I cannot belief this I just simply cannot belief my eyes... how can this happened... how?

Wow this is worst then being in a Muslim country... even they do not have such questions on religion on any forms! In fact even questions on what race you are would race so many issues, have raised many issues and debate. This is really really low CTA!!! Not only is it backward, it is total religious discrimination... so what's all this talk about humanity? Apparently there isn't one for us.

But yes another perspective is hey Dorje Shugden appears again... he does not seem to wanna go away lol. Perhaps this is also another way, like what Barzin and WB is saying, of actually highlighting Dorje Shugden. Yes everyone who will have to fill in this form will have to read his name... and when they do... they believe something bad will happened to them correct. So if I think along those lines... then many anti-shugdenpas will probably be cursed with something bad by Dorje Shugden..maybe they will fall ill??? So in a way we will have less anti-shugdenpas? LOL... So ridiculous!!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: diablo1974 on June 17, 2012, 07:15:51 AM: Since we are able to gain much merits by just seeing his image , we can also able to plant seed into our mind by just reading his name in such declaration. Anti shugdens will comtinue to find means and ways to make their stance clear, i am not surprise you may find more antishugdens individual or organisation doing that. I have heard of an organisation in singapore even printed a book to warn ppl about DS. We as individual can spread His name wide by promoting this forum in a skilful way, distributing related DS information and dharma gifts, as well as having nice and new digital images of him targeting younger individuals. (images of him in different poses and forms, it might not need to follow the traditional thangka style but diff aspects of art forms to gain him wider attention and eventually popularity.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Barzin on June 17, 2012, 09:51:48 AM: Someone must have visited this post and it surface again! I wonder what is the status now? From that time until now, I am sure there is some progression in Singapore judging that the movement is growing in Singapore. Even His Holiness has mentioned Singapore as one of the fastest growing country of Dorje Shugden practitioners.

It would be ironic if one day the ban is lifted, and will those who banned the practice before pick up the practice? It would be very interesting to see. But if we truly believe that Dorje Shugden is a Buddha, by even reciting his name, seeing an image of his plants imprint in our mind. So indirectly, those who ban Shugden done are helping the people to plant imprint in their mindstream so when they return or take rebirth, they immediately will connect to Dorje Shugden strongly thanks to the controversial.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: jessicajameson on June 17, 2012, 10:52:21 AM: @Barzin Yeah, Kris resurfaced this post.

I totally agree with what you wrote in January... all those who signs the form has to read Dorje Shugden's name, thereby creating an imprint in their mindstream! Here's to hoping that they place a photo of Dorje Shugden outside their temple as well.

I just read on the Amitabha Buddhist Centre's website on Lama Zopa Rinpoche's recovery. Ven Roger wrote on March 18 that Denma Locho Rinpoche advised some pujas and gave the following advice:

"In order to be harmonious, generally, you should not look for any faults in others, but look for the positive, the inner qualities. Thinking negatively like, "He is bad, she is bad", will not lead to harmony. Try to see the qualities in others and try to work harmoniously.

Recite the prayer Losang gyal tan ma - The Prayer for the Flourishing of Je Tsongkhapa’s Teachings - well [for links to the prayer see below]. Please recite it well. If students can do that, that’s really great.

But the most important thing is not looking at each others’ faults but looking at the qualities of others.

Then, whatever responsibility you have in the center [project or service], do the work from your heart, put all your energy into that, take the difficulties/hardships upon yourself and do the work wholeheartedly. If the work is done well, this will benefit the teachings of the Buddha, and also it will bring about happiness and joy to all sentient beings."

So they meet the many people that they do at their center, find out that some are practicing Dorje Shugden, they view that "he/she is bad"... do they then indirectly stop their Rinpoche from getting well? If harmony is the key, where is the harmony by stopping people from attending a living Buddha (Dalai Lama) teachings?
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Dhiman on June 17, 2012, 11:13:22 AM: Can I conclude that most of the people here is already made known that the Dorje Shugden ban is a plot created by His Holiness to promote the great Dharmapala? If yes, then I would like to ask with deep respect : why is everyone expressing shock and surprise towards this matter when it is in fact happening globally?

As per my understanding, the ban was plotted with the intention to spread the influence of Dorje Shugden through China who is fully against His Holiness - whom clearly stated countless of times that this practice will shorten his life. If that is the case, the controversy should be intensified in order to convince the Chinese to promote the Dharmapala out of objection towards His Holiness. Similarly, this will also lead to discriminating implementations by faithful followers of His Holiness, such as in this case of the registration form.

Additionally, what dondrup mentioned is true:
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How can FPMT tell if someone had chosen to lie – with no intention of harming - because they sincerely want to attend HHDL’s teaching?

If I am a DS practitioner and would be interested to attend this teaching by His Holiness, does my ignorance towards the 'Declaration' section considered a lie? An act of non-virtue which creates bad karma for myself? I beg to differ. If my motivation to attend the teaching is to learn Dharma to benefit others through compassion, how can it be a non-virtuous act? In fact, branding oneself as a Shugden practitioner is just an insignificant label, proven by the global community of practitioners who upholds Dorje Shugden in secret.

This is just my view and please feel free to correct me.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: pgdharma on June 17, 2012, 11:30:48 AM: Why is it that people of other faith and religion do not have to sign this declaration except Dorje Shugden practitioners? Where is religious freedom and equanimity? Is it what Buddhism is all about, depriving practitioners from receiving the dharma?

However, this is a great way to promote Dorje Shugden. Everyone who fill in the form will have a seed planted in them. This clause will also create curiosity for people to want to know more and will attract them to learn more about Dorje Shugden. Thanks to all the controversies, Dorje Shugden is growing and spreading everywhere.
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Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: icy on June 17, 2012, 12:11:54 PM: This is absolutely ridiculous! Where is human rights? If you examine Buddhist principles then Buddhism has gone bizarre. Why not ostracize Christainity, Islam or Hindu? There is no reason why there should be world interfaith conference or meetings let alone meetings with world religious leaders to promote goodwill and world peace. If practising Dorje Shugden leads to ostracization then it is merely hypocrisy in promoting world peace through interfaith. Interfaith is beautiful but it appears to me as mere hypocrisy and much of its action is in question.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: michaela on June 17, 2012, 01:51:56 PM: Interesting information. I don't understand why we as DS practitioners should declare that. isn't this the same as condemning our own Guru who gave us this practice?
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Aurore on June 17, 2012, 02:28:45 PM: Quote from: hope rainbow on January 04, 2012, 05:22:39 PM
In case nobody knew about Dorje Shugden yet and wanted to go and meet the Dalai Lama, there was no better way to let them know about this Dharmapala.
I would just have improved the text like this though:

I HEREBY DECLARE AND CATEGORICALLY STATE THAT I AM NOT A DORJE SHUGDEN PRACTITIONER AND AM NOT IN CIRCUMSTANCES ASSOCIATED OR AFFILIATED IN WHATEVER MANNER WITH SUCH PRACTICE AND/OR ORGANIZATION. FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE MATTER REFER TO THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE: [url=http://www.dorjeshugden.com]www.dorjeshugden.com[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com[/url])

That'd would have been real cool... Grin ;D

I think it would be real cool to have more information about Dorje Shugden as well. For some who may not know about the ban, they will be very much puzzled about this. I do hope it will prompt them to google about Dorje Shugden and gain more information about this powerful protector. This website comes up first not counting Wikipedia. :)

Whenever there is anything to do with Dalai Lama, Dorje Shugden is not to be left out too. Dalai Lama is using his fame to increase Dorje Shugden's fame.

To me this silly rule is another form of working towards the big picture.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Positive Change on June 17, 2012, 02:30:07 PM: Well... I am not surprised really... Even in this day and age we still have certain countries in Asia with forms that ask you of your ethnicity and I find that racist almost. What is more, these are forms that their very citizens are required to fill up. Why the hell does one need to know what race you are? Aren't citizens of a country just that regardless of ethnicity? Surely Americans are Americans whether they are African Americans or Chinese Americans, or whatever. I feel this is so silly and completely out of context, which this post reminds me of really...

However the form categorically is of violation of basic human rights because it is purely discriminatory... It is phrased in such a way that you have to say you are NOT a practitioner when you sign, so if you are, the form is void really. Hence no choice whatsoever and is purely used in a discriminatory manner.

Then again, it is a spiritual event and one could argue that one only permits another of the same beliefs... well... if that is the case, why call themselves a Buddhist Center to begin with? If Buddha Shakyamuni were discriminatory, all of us would be LOST!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Vajraprotector on June 17, 2012, 03:12:13 PM: Quote from: Positive Change on June 17, 2012, 02:30:07 PM
Well... I am not surprised really... Even in this day and age we still have certain countries in Asia with forms that ask you of your ethnicity and I find that racist almost. What is more, these are forms that their very citizens are required to fill up. Why the hell does one need to know what race you are? Aren't citizens of a country just that regardless of ethnicity? Surely Americans are Americans whether they are African Americans or Chinese Americans, or whatever. I feel this is so silly and completely out of context, which this post reminds me of really...

In my opinion, I do think this is the "requirement" by Dharamsala/ CTA perhaps, for the delegates attending any of His Holiness' event. I do not blame the centre.

This is a case of discrimination definitely, and if we remember, the Dorjee Shugden Devotees’ Charitable and Religious Society has filed a case against the CTA and His Holiness for the harassment and maltreatment, but the High Court of Delhi dismissed their writ petition and application on the grounds that the allegations of violence and harassment were ‘vague averments’ and that the raised issues ‘do not partake of any public law character and therefore are not justiciable in proceedings under Article 226 of the Constitution.’ They also cite the ‘absence of any specific instances of any such attacks’ on Dorje Shugden practitioners.

It is sad that evidence like these are everywhere, but even the court of law doesn't accept our plea.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: vajratruth on June 17, 2012, 04:25:17 PM: This is actually quite funny. Firstly I wonder if it is at all constitutional to forbid anyone from participating in a public event, based on a sectarian religious belief. I am quite certain that from an International Law perspective, it can be challenged.

Nevertheless as a few people have already pointed out, the more Dorje Shugden’s name is spread the better it is for the Practice. I have always believed that at some point the ban will be lifted and in the meantime the more attention is drawn to Dorje Shugden, the better it is.

In the meantime, if one were to be inspired by curiosity to find out about who Dorje Shugden actually is and what the controversy is about, there is a strong likelihood that one will actually disagree with the ban and see the Protector as the Buddha he is. This is especially true and likely if one were to Google “Dorje Shugden” as see this website (listed NO.1 on the results page) as the absolute authority on the subject matter. This site makes a tremendous difference in the public forming the correct view of the Protector Buddha. The Dalai Lama raises the question and this site answers it. Sweet.

I believe His Holiness the Dalai Lama is aware of this and is taking advantage of this set of collective conditions to spread the name of Shugden.

Anyway, the first part of the Declaration seeks to indemnify the organizers for any loss or damage to a person, as a result of attending the Dalai Lama’s Teaching Tour. Has HHDL’s Teachings become a contact sport or something precarious and similar to Pamplona’s Running Of The Bulls?
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Positive Change on June 18, 2012, 01:48:23 PM: Quote from: vajratruth on June 17, 2012, 04:25:17 PM
This is actually quite funny. Firstly I wonder if it is at all constitutional to forbid anyone from participating in a public event, based on a sectarian religious belief. I am quite certain that from an International Law perspective, it can be challenged.

Actually kudos to those who wrote it (must be some lawyer)... It does not state that one cannot participate the event if they were Dorje Shugden practitioners or associated to Dorje Shugden practice. it is worded very smart in that it makes you divulge or admit to it but it does not state you cannot enter the event. Hence if this was taken to a court of law, there is no reasonable doubt that the people themselves assumed this!

The form only asks that you declare you are not practicing or associated to the practice. Very sneaky! So should they see that you have not signed they can refuse you entry purely because you have not signed and that the reason may or may not be that you practice or are associated!

All that aside, it is great publicity though as Dorje Shugden is mentioned in the form. For ones who do not know they will be curious and try to find out. Whatever the case is, everyone in participating in the event WILL hear of Dorje Shugden and have seeds planted in their mindstream! That in itself is brilliant!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Tenzin Malgyur on June 19, 2012, 05:02:14 PM: There are positive effects that arise from this declaration. I come to learn about Dorje Shugden from these very same declaration when a friend brought me to attend a dharma event by a high lama. At the registration desk, all attendees were required to leave their name and contact number on a little slip of paper. And at the very bottom of the slip,we were made to sign after this simple phrase " I do not practice Dorje Shugden.".............. After we were seated, I asked my friend what the declaration was about. He just told me very hush hushed that we are not supposed to mention the DS word, but if I wanted to know more, I can go visit dorjeshugden.com. So this is how I got my first introduction to DS and by an anti-Shugden!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Ensapa on December 07, 2012, 07:19:04 AM: Quote from: Mana on January 01, 2012, 09:06:59 PM
This statement appears in every forms of Amitabha Buddhist Center, Singapore ([url]http://www.fpmtabc.org/[/url] ([url]http://www.fpmtabc.org/[/url])), whether it is a trip to attend Dalai Lama's teaching in South East Asia, Kalachakra, or a trip to Dharamsala. On top of name, passpost number, addresses etc personal details, you need to declare that you do not practice Dorje Shugden first.

Huh? Practicing Dorje Shugden has become like drug trafficking? You have to declare on your arrival form that you do not carry any illegal drugs when you are going to certain countries, and now you have to declare that you do not practice Dorje Shugden before you are allowed to go on a trip? ? ? ? ? ? ?

([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/images/abc1.jpg[/url])

I personally find this form amusing, really amusing. The reason being is, how would anyone know if I am a Dorje Shugden practitioner or not if I just keep quiet and say in that form that I am not a practitioner? I dont think so anyone can find out at all. That phrase there is only for show purposes and to make the Dalai Lama and CTA content rather that really wanting to keep Dorje Shugden practitioners out.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Gabby Potter on February 18, 2015, 10:46:58 PM: People out there can say whatever they want because we all know that someday their karma will catch up. As long as we all know what are we doing, as long as I know who am I praying to ( which whom is an enlightened Buddha- Dorje Shugden ), people can say whatever they want and it doesn't affect me, I am very clear of my practise and spiritual beliefs. It used to affect me a lo when people put down my practise, but slowly I have learnt to ignore these untrue and meaningless comments as they are a waste of time ;D
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: X on February 22, 2015, 11:26:40 AM: I think this is just too much, its ridiculous. This is just like being racist, you discriminate and treat people with different skin colour differently. If you think properly, do you think the Buddha will choose who he will teach ? Do you think the Buddha will say like ' oh, you're a Dorje Shugden practitioner, you don't deserve to receive the dharma. ' ? Definitely not! Even a criminal deserve a chance to change. So Dorje Shugden practitioner deserve to receive the Dharma from HHDL. I truly wish that Dorje Shugden ban will be lifted ASAP. So that all these nonsense will never happen ever again.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: Pema8 on February 22, 2015, 01:55:08 PM: I find it's a good way to look at it as means to spread Dorje Shugden more and more.
People who don't know about the situation will check and learn more and Dorje Shugden gets spread more and more. Nothing bad will come out of Dorje Shugden practice ever!
May the ban end soon!
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: rossoneri on February 23, 2015, 09:05:42 AM: Quote from: Pema8 on February 22, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
I find it's a good way to look at it as means to spread Dorje Shugden more and more.
People who don't know about the situation will check and learn more and Dorje Shugden gets spread more and more. Nothing bad will come out of Dorje Shugden practice ever!
May the ban end soon!

Dear Pema8,
To a certain extent you are right, but what I do not understand is why do someone who is practicing Dorje Shugden being alienated and treated like someone who had committed some serious crime in the society.

Students who simply following their Gurus instruction by practicing Dorje Shugden which passed down for generations suddenly no longer welcome by non-Shugden practitioners. This is a similar situation to the Apartheid system which the African people had to face until only recently. Why do we have to label a person as Dorje Shugden practitioner or not. Shouldn't we as a Buddhist practitioner be concentrating in the teachings of a Buddha a be enlighten by taking a path which you think is suitable for you.
Title: Re: Dorje Shugden practitioners are drug traffickers
Post by: VeronicaSmith on February 23, 2015, 01:49:05 PM: It is actually ridiculous how people see DS people like that. Just because we practice (which last time I checked is in our rights to believe in something) that makes us different? Why the discrimination? What did we do? if you don't like us then leave us alone. We are people not some kind of criminal. I understand there is a disagreement but for people to be limited to things because of the belief, thats terrible! The monks in Tibet that are being attacked have it way worse, imagine being treated like a criminal in your own country by your people and they deny the bullying. Why the abuse? what did thy do besides have their own beliefs?