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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Galen on December 11, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
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Recently i visited a temple for the first time and I was horrified with a signage that was posted up on the wall. It says that they do not practice Dorje Shugden as it is banned by H.H the Dalai Lama and they discourage their members to practice this spirit.
How can a temple who is spreading the dharma stop their members from practicing anything they want? There is freedom of choice and anyone can practice what practices they want. Also do not have the brand a Buddha as a spirit. Isn't this inappropriate?
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There is something you can do. :)
Which is to name and shame them take a photo and host it for all the world to see how Buddhist they actually are is this in the west or where ?
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You're right Galen. It is really disappointing to see temples and Dharma Centres not allowing practitioners to practice Dorje Shugden. But whatever they do, practitioners can still practice Dorje Shugden secretly! :D
One day soon when the ban is lifted, then you can proudly stand up to tell everyone you've been practicing Dorje Shugden all this while. When that day comes, we should not laugh at those people who banned the practice but instead share with them all that we've learned and ask them to check out dorjeshugden.com! ;D
That is true Buddhism!
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Yes it is wrong for the temple to ban practitioners from practicing Dorje Shugden. Everyone has a right of choice and the practitioners can still practice in secret as most do until the ban is lifted.
It is a shame to come across such a temple. It just shows how ignorant they are by accusing Dorje Shugden as a spirit. They should check out dorjeshugden.com and get their facts right!
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The practitioners of these temples should then check whether they are praying for all sentient beings. Are the teachings like Lamrim, Lojong and all these practices, cultivate the Mahayana view?
Why would they study the great Mahayana teachings that require practitioners to cultivate compassion for ALL beings and pray for them and yet, they do not allow certain people with a slightly different view and practice to enter their temples.
It just doesn't make any sense. How can the senior practitioners of the temple allow such a deliberate breach of their Bodhisattva vows, ideals and the general spirit of Mahayana? I don't mean to be rude but why do they call themselves Buddhist when they are so contradicting with their principles. It's so sad. Even if I don't practice Dorje Shugden, I wouldn't want to study the Dharma from these temples if I knew that they perpetuate such contradiction. No offense.
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This is the photo of the sign displayed at the temple! How horrible. It is placed at the entrance where everyone can see. It just portrays a negative image on us Buddhist. Totally unacceptable and it is such a shame. I totally agree with Big Uncle that is is a breach of Boddhisattva vows.
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I have been to this temple before and they encourage all sort of other practices which I do not think is found anywhere in the Buddhist cannon. Putting up such notices are not new in the Tibetan Buddhist community especially if they're under the 'ruling' of the CTA. They're just being too chicken to do it the right way
What is the right way? Practice compassion and kindness for your own Tibetan kin and moreso monks and nuns practicing in them. Why harm them if you guys are promoting love and compassion through mass media but doing otherwise within your own community?
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Actually there is No need to even talk about Bodhisattva vows being breached... it's a breached of "human rights" and "freedom of religion" ... breach on humanitarian grounds - totally unethical and so not cool. Where I come from you could be sued for these type of statements.
I think they forgot we're living in the 21st century. Real shame how prejudice could exist on temple grounds. In a way it fuels us more to practise stronger :o
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I have been to this temple before and they encourage all sort of other practices which I do not think is found anywhere in the Buddhist cannon. Putting up such notices are not new in the Tibetan Buddhist community especially if they're under the 'ruling' of the CTA. They're just being too chicken to do it the right way
All the way in "whatever country prints Chinese onto their prayer wheels"? Sorry but thats just sad, coming under the thumb of a government that doesnt even have a country!!!
And the next time someone accuses Dorje Shugden practitioners of taking money from the Chinese, just look at this picture! Deffo doesnt look like any Shugden-loving Chinese to me!
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This is the photo of the sign displayed at the temple! How horrible. It is placed at the entrance where everyone can see. It just portrays a negative image on us Buddhist. Totally unacceptable and it is such a shame. I totally agree with Big Uncle that is is a breach of Boddhisattva vows.
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Why have you blanked out the name of the temple ? I think they would want Dorje shugden practitoners to know not to come to their place :)
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What have DS practitioners done to be banned from going into a temple? I don't understand. Killing someone in the temple? Stealing from the temple? If DS practitioners are so bad, I think the temple should try to help them instead of pushing them away.
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It is appalling that a place of worship would post something of discrimination against another practice. If I were to read such a sign, I would definitely walk away. Discrimination is already against the teachings of compassion. What kind of temple is this?
Even if they chose to respect the HHDL's instruction, they can do so quietly and have it as their practice not to practice Dorje Shugden but to put it up like that is bad. The way they put is like people are storming into their temple wearing t-shirts "I practice Dorje Shugden" People who do practice have more respect for these type of discriminatory people.
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This is the photo of the sign displayed at the temple! How horrible. It is placed at the entrance where everyone can see. It just portrays a negative image on us Buddhist. Totally unacceptable and it is such a shame. I totally agree with Big Uncle that is is a breach of Boddhisattva vows.
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Why have you blanked out the name of the temple ? I think they would want Dorje shugden practitoners to know not to come to their place :)
Maybe because if somethign happens to them, we cant be accused of sending people to harm the temple? Dunno.
DV, you present a good point. Even Catholics who murder get a chance at redemption in the confessional...what do DS practitoners get? NOTHING.
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This is utterly sad to know that even in Buddhism such a beautiful religion, there are people still putting others down. It is same as telling people because you are not my race or my religion, you are not welcome here. Terrible. It just reflects badly on the temple and the people there. Imagine the amount of negative karma they accumulate by doing this in the temple! They planted negative view in people and stop people from practicing Dorje Shugden and to me it is very bad because simple they did not study more or learn more about the subject. If they would have find out more, they will know that Dorje Shugden is an enlightened being and not a spirit. By doing that, they are accumulating a great amount of negative karma which is very bad for them.
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If DS practitioners are so bad, I think the temple should try to help them instead of pushing them away.
Well, that is the greatest irony isn't it? If someone is so wrong and doing something so bad, then as Buddhists shouldn't we open our arms even wider to accept them, help them with compassion, give them knowledge and teach them the right way? If someone is doing something so harmful and wrong, why is it that a Buddhist would turn them away and "allow" them to continue doing bad things to hurt themselves? How does this bode for the most basic Buddhist practice of not harming anyone and just being kind?
(this is also one of the points mentioned in that most recent letter sent from dorjeshugden.com to around the world!)
The saddest thing is that they fail to see how they have just cut off their noses to spite their own faces - by putting up a notice like this right at the entrance of their temple, they are attempting, I suppose, to show the world how very holy and "obedient" they are. But actually, the bigger message they show the world is just how intolerant and unkind they are.
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By putting up a notice to ban the practice of Dorje Shugden and saying that Dorje Shugden is a spirit creates such a negative and publicity about Tibetan Buddhism. It creates a lot of confusion in the public or those not in the know about Buddhism. Why are Buddhists practising Dorje Shugden if Dorje Shugden is a “spirit”? If Dorje Shugden is a spirit, this Temple should likewise put up notices to stop all practitioners from practising all other spirits in the spirits realm! Why the biasness?
Buddhism is a religion where practitioners have total freedom to accept what was taught by Lord Buddha. If his temple can stop or instruct its practitioners from practising what the practitioners want, what form of Buddhism is this Temple propagating? Temple can advise but cannot BAN people from practising. Where is the freedom of religion? Where is the freedom of human right?
Dorje Shugden is a fully enlightened Buddha. What heavy negative karma to say that He is a spirit? What heavy negative karma is the temple creating by stopping sincere Dorje Shugden practitioners from propitiating Dorje Shugden? Instead of propagating Dharma, this temple creates schism among the practitioners.
Galen, thank you for highlighting this notice. If only we can put up and distribute the Letters from DS.com to the World just next to the notice to educate the public about Dorje Shugden!
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It is very funny that people rather focus on politics than doing their practise. Just like how a lama said if we put down other people's practises it makes us feel good and we feel we are right. If they focus on their meditations more instead of putting up this stupid signs they might actually would have gaine some kind of results.
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What have DS practitioners done to be banned from going into a temple? I don't understand. Killing someone in the temple? Stealing from the temple? If DS practitioners are so bad, I think the temple should try to help them instead of pushing them away.
Totally agree with you that a temple should help the people to learn the dharma and transform their mind. And Buddhism is very logical. If they disallow their members to practice DS, then they should explain to their members logically. I doubt there is a logic to it. Hehe.
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Yes if temples are built for the benefit of the people at large, banning any practices with baseless evidences is really uncalled for. A temple/dharma centre is there for us to seek solace and to PRACTICE the DHARMA. In recent times, people are using these places of worship for reasons of political and personal gains.
Very, very saddening...
Until today, there are no solid proof that practicing Dorje Shugden will harm us. Personally, I only see improvement and nothing negative when I rely on Dorje Shugden. Yes, HHDL is highly revered but we ourselves must also use our brains to think! There might just be a deeper understanding/meaning in the words of HHDL...contemplation is the key!
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By putting up a notice to ban the practice of Dorje Shugden and saying that Dorje Shugden is a spirit creates such a negative and publicity about Tibetan Buddhism. It creates a lot of confusion in the public or those not in the know about Buddhism. Why are Buddhists practising Dorje Shugden if Dorje Shugden is a “spirit”? If Dorje Shugden is a spirit, this Temple should likewise put up notices to stop all practitioners from practising all other spirits in the spirits realm! Why the biasness?
Buddhism is a religion where practitioners have total freedom to accept what was taught by Lord Buddha. If his temple can stop or instruct its practitioners from practising what the practitioners want, what form of Buddhism is this Temple propagating? Temple can advise but cannot BAN people from practising. Where is the freedom of religion? Where is the freedom of human right?
Dorje Shugden is a fully enlightened Buddha. What heavy negative karma to say that He is a spirit? What heavy negative karma is the temple creating by stopping sincere Dorje Shugden practitioners from propitiating Dorje Shugden? Instead of propagating Dharma, this temple creates schism among the practitioners.
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Dondrup, you have definitely raise a good point about this temple and its bias signage, that it cause schism. When I first read this thread it was appalling to know that a place of worship would so such things. Now that I have read more comments here, it is bad karma for them especially when what they cause is confusion in the minds of people. This is even more so with people who are new and do not know the politics. By having such signs it draws attention to the politics in religion which I personally feel is destructive to one's spiritual journey.
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This is extremely contradicting with what HHDL has mentioned about, everybody in the earth has their way to find happiness, and it's ok to find your own suitable religion.
Practicing an enlighten beings who has recognized by 5th DL is worshiping spirit? This is completely nonsense.
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A temple is a place for people to seek solace and help. A place for people to pray and get connected with the divine. It is uncalled for to put a notice like this. Why make a big issue about Dorje Shugden?Where is the prove that Dorje Shugden is a spirit? Why not make big issue of other spirits? How can praying to Dorje Shugden who is recognized by the 5th Dalai Lama as an enlightened being be harmful? This is illogical. It is a shame that a place of worship will go into such extend and do such thing! :'(
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What do you think of the below?
Local People & the Monastery
Since the establishment of the Tharpa Choling Monastery by the Domo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Kalsang, the relation between with Tharpa Choling Monastery and the people of Kalimpong was warm, cordial and harmonious. The devotion towards the deity Dorje Shugden defamed the monastery, but finally reconciled with its sincere ban of practicing and giving devotion to the Dorje Shugden after the rightful and genuine reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche was found through prophecy and divination given by His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and his enthronement.
Administration of the Monastery
...However, sometimes, the Tibetan Government in Exile supervises the administration in the absence of Domo Geshe Rinpoche or the new reincarnation of the Rinpoche is too young to take over the administration responsibilities of the monastery. However, at present the monastery is under the direct supervision of the Private Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Department of Religion and Culture, Central Tibetan Administration...
Link: http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/component/content/category/9-site-contents (http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/component/content/category/9-site-contents)
Discipline of the Monastery
The monastery's discipline is based on the regulations laid down by His Holiness the Great 13th Dalai Lama in abidance with the rules of the Vinaya, the spiritual code of conducts.
Link: http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/history (http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/history)
Monks of a monastery practices a protector whom the founder of the monastery is strongly connected to is wrong?!
Sincere devotion to a protector defamed a monastery? A ban can be sincere?
Why is it that the Private Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Department of Religion and Culture can has bigger authority than the lineage Guru/founder of the monastery?
Why did they use the 13th Dalai Lama and not the 14th ? (May be because the 14th Dalai Lama wrote "Melody of the Unceasing Vajra" at Domo Geshe Rinpoche's Dungkar Monastery?)
But the 13th Dalai Lama proclaimed that he had met Je Tsongkhapa after meeting Domo Geshe Rinpoche. So how can Tsongkhapa's protector practice be wrong?
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I wish the temples would focus on their core purpose of spreading their religion, beliefs and practices to benefit others. The ban has shifted priorities from real spiritual practice to politicking, jockeying for position and favor, and being more concerned about outer rather than inner practice.
Buddhism has always been about bettering oneself through the practice of mind transformation, selflessness, guru devotion and being of benefit to others. It has never been about being politically correct, nor about following the leader of Tibet. One's Guru would always take priority over everything else, regardless of how difficult the situation seems.
The ban is contradictory to the fundamental tenets of Vajrayana Buddhism in so many ways. In particular, the execution of the ban is cruel, lacking kindness or compassion. I wish that people would see through the edict laid down by the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan Administration, and make constant and heartfelt appeals for the ban to be lifted. Just look at the growth of the Shugden monasteries, and growing support for the Shugden movement as time passes. How is what they are doing wrong? How is anyone being negatively affected by the practice of Shugden? Instead, the lineage is growing stronger, and the principles of guru devotion, holding of commitments, real dharma practice are being upheld. Is that bad? Please do something while we still can.
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What do you think of the below?
Local People & the Monastery
Since the establishment of the Tharpa Choling Monastery by the Domo Geshe Rinpoche Ngawang Kalsang, the relation between with Tharpa Choling Monastery and the people of Kalimpong was warm, cordial and harmonious. The devotion towards the deity Dorje Shugden defamed the monastery, but finally reconciled with its sincere ban of practicing and giving devotion to the Dorje Shugden after the rightful and genuine reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche was found through prophecy and divination given by His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama and his enthronement.
Administration of the Monastery
...However, sometimes, the Tibetan Government in Exile supervises the administration in the absence of Domo Geshe Rinpoche or the new reincarnation of the Rinpoche is too young to take over the administration responsibilities of the monastery. However, at present the monastery is under the direct supervision of the Private Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Department of Religion and Culture, Central Tibetan Administration...
Link: [url]http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/component/content/category/9-site-contents[/url] ([url]http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/component/content/category/9-site-contents[/url])
Discipline of the Monastery
The monastery's discipline is based on the regulations laid down by His Holiness the Great 13th Dalai Lama in abidance with the rules of the Vinaya, the spiritual code of conducts.
Link: [url]http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/history[/url] ([url]http://tharpacholing.org/index.php/history[/url])
Monks of a monastery practices a protector whom the founder of the monastery is strongly connected to is wrong?!
Sincere devotion to a protector defamed a monastery? A ban can be sincere?
Why is it that the Private Office of His Holiness the Dalai Lama and the Department of Religion and Culture can has bigger authority than the lineage Guru/founder of the monastery?
Why did they use the 13th Dalai Lama and not the 14th ? (May be because the 14th Dalai Lama wrote "Melody of the Unceasing Vajra" at Domo Geshe Rinpoche's Dungkar Monastery?)
But the 13th Dalai Lama proclaimed that he had met Je Tsongkhapa after meeting Domo Geshe Rinpoche. So how can Tsongkhapa's protector practice be wrong?
The monks who were practicing the protector practice by their founder is right but the HHDL and his team is trying to make themselves look good and and gain support where the HHDL has found the reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche and this made the relationship between the local people and monastery become better i.e. support of the local people.
I have also heard that there is another reincarnation of Domo Geshe Rinpoche who was found by Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and now resides in Shar Gaden. How this happened was one night Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche had a dream of the previous Domo Geshe Rinpoche asking Trijang Rinpoche to look for his reincarnation and take care of him. The next day when Trijang Rinpoche woke up, he was told of the news that Domo Geshe Rinpoche had passed away. So now we have 2 Domo Geshe Rinpoches who practices different protector practice?
The new Domo Geshe Rinpoche will be enthroned soon in Shar Gaden.
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Sorry guys for bringing this ugly side of life up on your face again.
Humans are by choice opportunists for bad media, people would go through all sorts in order to get other people into trouble in order to get benefits from them.
The TGIE back then started the ban which was very harsh on the 3 great monasteries of the Gelug tradition. Afterwhich it took a wrong turn by setting bad precedence banning people both lay and Sangha from these monasteries. Who are they to decide on spiritual practices of others?
I read this from another thread and found it very relevant:
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1595.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1595.0)
Bhikku Yeshe Sangye:
"Many, many, many of the older Lama Yeshe students have gone underground with their practices of Dorje Shugden. Some like me do not really go to the centers here in the USA anymore. They will not abandon their practice of Dorje Shugden because of their great devotion to Lama Yeshe and are somewhat flabbergasted at the direction that some new FPMT centers’ are going with their arrogant witch hunts. What is important to remember is JUST BECAUSE YOU ATTEND THE DALAI LAMA’S TEACHINGS, OR HAVE TAKEN PHOTOS WITH HH DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY VALIDATE YOU AS A SPIRITUAL POLICEMAN AND GO ON WITCH-HUNTS. We must practice the essence of what HH teaches as did Lama Yeshe, which are tolerance, compassion, forgiveness and not ever slandering any lama, dharma, lineage or practice. As the karmic retributions will fall onto us. We should never mislead new FPMT students toward this line of thought. We are destroying our organization slowly if we do so."
Source: [url]http://wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.blogspot.com/2008/10/does-lama-zopas-closeness-with-hh-dalai.html[/url] ([url]http://wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.blogspot.com/2008/10/does-lama-zopas-closeness-with-hh-dalai.html[/url])
Centres of 'Dharma' all around the world uses this suppression against other traditions and to over power others. This has not been unheard of especially with the Dorje Shugden issue. Lay people with personal agendas end up being Buddhist polices running around different centres with their 'decree' of a picture with some CTA official and put centres and practitioners down.
What has CTA achieved so far if you ask me is a bunch of monsters around the world emulating the ugly side of CTA itself.
CTA boys, it is time to wake up and grow up to be good examples of your dying Tibet.
H1N1
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Sorry guys for bringing this ugly side of life up on your face again.
Humans are by choice opportunists for bad media, people would go through all sorts in order to get other people into trouble in order to get benefits from them.
The TGIE back then started the ban which was very harsh on the 3 great monasteries of the Gelug tradition. Afterwhich it took a wrong turn by setting bad precedence banning people both lay and Sangha from these monasteries. Who are they to decide on spiritual practices of others?
I read this from another thread and found it very relevant:
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1595.0[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1595.0[/url])
Bhikku Yeshe Sangye:
"Many, many, many of the older Lama Yeshe students have gone underground with their practices of Dorje Shugden. Some like me do not really go to the centers here in the USA anymore. They will not abandon their practice of Dorje Shugden because of their great devotion to Lama Yeshe and are somewhat flabbergasted at the direction that some new FPMT centers’ are going with their arrogant witch hunts. What is important to remember is JUST BECAUSE YOU ATTEND THE DALAI LAMA’S TEACHINGS, OR HAVE TAKEN PHOTOS WITH HH DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY VALIDATE YOU AS A SPIRITUAL POLICEMAN AND GO ON WITCH-HUNTS. We must practice the essence of what HH teaches as did Lama Yeshe, which are tolerance, compassion, forgiveness and not ever slandering any lama, dharma, lineage or practice. As the karmic retributions will fall onto us. We should never mislead new FPMT students toward this line of thought. We are destroying our organization slowly if we do so."
Source: [url]http://wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.blogspot.com/2008/10/does-lama-zopas-closeness-with-hh-dalai.html[/url] ([url]http://wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.blogspot.com/2008/10/does-lama-zopas-closeness-with-hh-dalai.html[/url])
Centres of 'Dharma' all around the world uses this suppression against other traditions and to over power others. This has not been unheard of especially with the Dorje Shugden issue. Lay people with personal agendas end up being Buddhist polices running around different centres with their 'decree' of a picture with some CTA official and put centres and practitioners down.
What has CTA achieved so far if you ask me is a bunch of monsters around the world emulating the ugly side of CTA itself.
CTA boys, it is time to wake up and grow up to be good examples of your dying Tibet.
H1N1
Harry you bring up a good point about people using the ban for their own agendas. My own centre was broken up into two because one faction ( Ihate the word) wants to keep the practice our lama gave us, and the other would rather follow the Dalai Lama... not that thats a bad thing but really, why isnt my guru enough. Anyway.
What I have noticed in the dynamics at my once-whole centre is that people used the ban as an excuse to go on a witch hunt. More than once did it remind me me of Nazi Germany or China under Mao, if thats not too strong a comparison. In those times, fear ruled and people were governed by their fear of their neighbours, parents, children, friends, reporting on them and lalbelling them as capitalists, Jewish sympathisers, black marketeers...
The CTA pushing this ban pushed people to give in to their habituations and create more negative karma, instead of fighting their habituations and using it as an opportunity to practise compassion. Skilful methods gone wrong? Perhaps the CTA isnt enlightened afterall...
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My own centre was broken up into two because one faction ( Ihate the word) wants to keep the practice our lama gave us, and the other would rather follow the Dalai Lama...
Very sorry to hear that. :(
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Sorry guys for bringing this ugly side of life up on your face again.
Humans are by choice opportunists for bad media, people would go through all sorts in order to get other people into trouble in order to get benefits from them.
The TGIE back then started the ban which was very harsh on the 3 great monasteries of the Gelug tradition. Afterwhich it took a wrong turn by setting bad precedence banning people both lay and Sangha from these monasteries. Who are they to decide on spiritual practices of others?
I read this from another thread and found it very relevant:
[url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1595.0[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=1595.0[/url])
Bhikku Yeshe Sangye:
"Many, many, many of the older Lama Yeshe students have gone underground with their practices of Dorje Shugden. Some like me do not really go to the centers here in the USA anymore. They will not abandon their practice of Dorje Shugden because of their great devotion to Lama Yeshe and are somewhat flabbergasted at the direction that some new FPMT centers’ are going with their arrogant witch hunts. What is important to remember is JUST BECAUSE YOU ATTEND THE DALAI LAMA’S TEACHINGS, OR HAVE TAKEN PHOTOS WITH HH DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY VALIDATE YOU AS A SPIRITUAL POLICEMAN AND GO ON WITCH-HUNTS. We must practice the essence of what HH teaches as did Lama Yeshe, which are tolerance, compassion, forgiveness and not ever slandering any lama, dharma, lineage or practice. As the karmic retributions will fall onto us. We should never mislead new FPMT students toward this line of thought. We are destroying our organization slowly if we do so."
Source: [url]http://wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.blogspot.com/2008/10/does-lama-zopas-closeness-with-hh-dalai.html[/url] ([url]http://wisdombuddhadorjeshugden.blogspot.com/2008/10/does-lama-zopas-closeness-with-hh-dalai.html[/url])
Centres of 'Dharma' all around the world uses this suppression against other traditions and to over power others. This has not been unheard of especially with the Dorje Shugden issue. Lay people with personal agendas end up being Buddhist polices running around different centres with their 'decree' of a picture with some CTA official and put centres and practitioners down.
What has CTA achieved so far if you ask me is a bunch of monsters around the world emulating the ugly side of CTA itself.
CTA boys, it is time to wake up and grow up to be good examples of your dying Tibet.
H1N1
I agree with you H1N1. The worst is I believe many of these anti-Shugden activists are just following the wind, go with the flow thingi...........they actually just "hear say" and enrol themselves on the DL camp.
I hope Galen will help to put a big sticker of DorjeShugden.com right next to the signage of the temple so that people can find out more. Knowledge is powerful, at least it can stir some senses into their ignorance minds when they check out the website.
Om
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Here comes the killer question about such temples: how on earth will they know if every person who walk past the center's doors is a Dorje Shugden practitioner or not if they choose not to reveal whether or not they are? Is there a mandatory background check on them? Do they have some clairvoyant senior member sitting in a chamber behind the center that will say yes or no to whether or not the person walking through the door is a Dorje Shugden practitioner or not? If they dont, what is the use of the sign? A nice declaration of spiritual hypocrisy?
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Temples are places of sanctuary and solitude for those seeking peace. How sad that some temples choose segregation just because of a devotee's personal practice.
Is it NOT true that Shugdenpas are also Buddhists, who took refuge in the Buddha, Dharma and Sangha? Then how come because of a personal and private practice of a Dharma Protector exempt them from being qualified to enter a temple to pay homage to the Buddha.
How can the most renowned Monk stop their rights? Let us have your thoughts and comments.
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Well, it is a free country and the temple is making a statement of their loyalty to His Holiness the Dalai Lama and thus not practicing Dorje Shugden. The part that got to the nerves of myself was when they stated that Dorje Shugden is a spirit. How Buddhist and righteous can they be when they can call another form of Manjushri a spirit? Surely any intelligent visitor would think twice about entering this temple when they see this offending notice at the main entrance.
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Temple is a place of worship, a place for people to learn dharma, to seek for help, to serve others and to find a spiritual guide that will lead us to enlightenment. Not a place to spread wrong information and discourage others from doing practice of their choice. A temple should welcome everyone, irregardless of his or her religion or practice.
If DS is a spirit, and a DS practioner coming to temple, followers of the temple should welcome that person. Only when people come then only have chance to help. Doesn't people of this temple have compassion to help those "in trouble"? Shame on them to put up such a notice.