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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: Harold Musetescu on October 05, 2018, 01:18:06 PM
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Well, Well, Well.
I will use your our quotes to condemn you "Questionable".
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"Do you think we have to know every miniscule detail of the Shugden mandala? There's a reason why there's ONLY A MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE RATHER THAN MINISCULE MANTRAS OF CERTAIN PROTECTORS in the Shugden sadhana. If there were a million attendees, would we really have to focus on honoring them? Just saying..."
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"There's a reason why there is only ONE MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE".
Really Questionable?? "ONLY ONE MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE". "ONLY ONE MANTRA"? I have provided below to you an article written by Pastor Patel listing ALL THE MANTRAS FOR ALL FOUR DORJE SHUGDEN DHARMAPALAS.
"WOULD WE REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON HONORING THEM? JUST SAYING...".
That's right Questionable do we the followers of Dorje Shugden "REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON HONORING THEM"?
Do we need to HONOR "Keche Marpo", Namkar Barzin", "Methar" and "Shangmo Dorje Putri".
In your Dorje Shugen world the answer is NO!
In your Dorje Shugden world we would STOP HONORING "Kache Marpo", "Namkar Barzin", "Methar" and "Shangmo Dorje Putri".
So Questionable why don't you contact the 11th Panchen Lama, Trijang Rinpoche, Tsem Rinpoche, Zasep Rinpoche etc and tell them to stop HONORING AND TEACHING US ALL ABOUT these MINISCULE Dharmapalas.
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"From a man....by focusing on obscure, minuscule spirits that have little to nothing to do with what Buddhism is really about..."
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I'm "FOCUSING ON OBSURE, MINUSCULE SPIRITS THAT HAVE LITTLE TO NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT BUDDHISM IS REALLY ABOUT...". REALLY???
Then Questionable the 11th Panchen Lama, Trijang Rinpoche, Tsem Rinpoche, Zasep Rinpoche etc. and we the lay followers of Dorje Shugden ARE ALL "FOCUSING ON OBSURE, MINUSCULE SPIRITS THAT HAVE LITTE TO NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT BUDDHISM IS REALLY ABOUT...".
WERE ALL WRONG BUT THE GREAT SHUGDENPA QUESTIONABLE IS RIGHT???
Read what Pastor Patel and H.E. Tsem Tulku have written about these "Obsure, minuscule spirits". The Dharmapalas who "Don't have a single Mantra between them"
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"Reply by Pastor Niral Patel (Oct 3, 2018)
Dear Sal,
Thank you for your question. You may find the following article interesting to read about Dorje Shugden’s Mandala: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dorje-shugden-mandala.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dorje-shugden-mandala.html)
Dorje Shugden’s retinue is very unique. His main attendant/assistant who is Kache Marpo (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/who-is-kache-marpo.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/who-is-kache-marpo.html)) who is a very ancient Dharmapala with his own prayers and liturgies.
Another Dharmapala is Namkar Barzin (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/invocation-to-namkar-barzin.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/invocation-to-namkar-barzin.html)). He is a relatively new Dharmapala and is unenlightened but assists Dorje Shugden in his works.
Two other Dharmapalas are Methar (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/methar-of-tengyeling-monastery.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/methar-of-tengyeling-monastery.html)) and also Shangmo Dorje Putri (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html)) Both of these Dharmapalas are under the care of Kache Marpo, but as Kache Marpo is Dorje Shugden’s main assistant, THEY CAN ALSO BE CLASSED AS PART OF DORJE SHUGDEN'S RETINUE. I hope this helps. Thank you."
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You QUESTIONABLE have exposed yourself to all of us here as an ANTI DORJE SHUGDEN TROLL.
It was so easy to expose you Questionable.
All I need to do was use your very own words to CONDEMN YOU.
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Well, Well, Well.
I will use your our quotes to condemn you "Questionable".
QUOTE
"Do you think we have to know every miniscule detail of the Shugden mandala? There's a reason why there's ONLY A MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE RATHER THAN MINISCULE MANTRAS OF CERTAIN PROTECTORS in the Shugden sadhana. If there were a million attendees, would we really have to focus on honoring them? Just saying..."
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"There's a reason why there is only ONE MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE".
Really Questionable?? "ONLY ONE MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE". "ONLY ONE MANTRA"? I have provided below to you an article written by Pastor Patel listing ALL THE MANTRAS FOR ALL FOUR DORJE SHUGDEN DHARMAPALAS.
"WOULD WE REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON HONORING THEM? JUST SAYING...".
That's right Questionable do we the followers of Dorje Shugden "REALLY HAVE TO FOCUS ON HONORING THEM"?
Do we need to HONOR "Keche Marpo", Namkar Barzin", "Methar" and "Shangmo Dorje Putri".
In your Dorje Shugen world the answer is NO!
In your Dorje Shugden world we would STOP HONORING "Kache Marpo", "Namkar Barzin", "Methar" and "Shangmo Dorje Putri".
So Questionable why don't you contact the 11th Panchen Lama, Trijang Rinpoche, Tsem Rinpoche, Zasep Rinpoche etc and tell them to stop HONORING AND TEACHING US ALL ABOUT these MINISCULE Dharmapalas.
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"From a man....by focusing on obscure, minuscule spirits that have little to nothing to do with what Buddhism is really about..."
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I'm "FOCUSING ON OBSURE, MINUSCULE SPIRITS THAT HAVE LITTLE TO NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT BUDDHISM IS REALLY ABOUT...". REALLY???
Then Questionable the 11th Panchen Lama, Trijang Rinpoche, Tsem Rinpoche, Zasep Rinpoche etc. and we the lay followers of Dorje Shugden ARE ALL "FOCUSING ON OBSURE, MINUSCULE SPIRITS THAT HAVE LITTE TO NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT BUDDHISM IS REALLY ABOUT...".
WERE ALL WRONG BUT THE GREAT SHUGDENPA QUESTIONABLE IS RIGHT???
Read what Pastor Patel and H.E. Tsem Tulku have written about these "Obsure, minuscule spirits". The Dharmapalas who "Don't have a single Mantra between them"
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"Reply by Pastor Niral Patel (Oct 3, 2018)
Dear Sal,
Thank you for your question. You may find the following article interesting to read about Dorje Shugden’s Mandala: https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dorje-shugden-mandala.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/dorje-shugden-mandala.html)
Dorje Shugden’s retinue is very unique. His main attendant/assistant who is Kache Marpo (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/who-is-kache-marpo.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/who-is-kache-marpo.html)) who is a very ancient Dharmapala with his own prayers and liturgies.
Another Dharmapala is Namkar Barzin (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/invocation-to-namkar-barzin.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/invocation-to-namkar-barzin.html)). He is a relatively new Dharmapala and is unenlightened but assists Dorje Shugden in his works.
Two other Dharmapalas are Methar (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/methar-of-tengyeling-monastery.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/great-lamas-masters/methar-of-tengyeling-monastery.html)) and also Shangmo Dorje Putri (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/buddhas-dharma/shangmo-dorje-putri-the-bamo-of-sakya.html)) Both of these Dharmapalas are under the care of Kache Marpo, but as Kache Marpo is Dorje Shugden’s main assistant, THEY CAN ALSO BE CLASSED AS PART OF DORJE SHUGDEN'S RETINUE. I hope this helps. Thank you."
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You QUESTIONABLE have exposed yourself to all of us here as an ANTI DORJE SHUGDEN TROLL.
It was so easy to expose you Questionable.
All I need to do was use your very own words to CONDEMN YOU.
No. not the Buddha family functions of Shugden you cherry picker. I mean the more unknown protectors like the Bamo Sum which should not even be practiced by amateurs such as you. This is reserved for the higher lamas who have experience and have the proper training. You yourself are a deluded idiot who will fuck himself up with such practices and shall infuriate these beings. The worldly protectors aren't a simple practice! They are not worthy for idiots like you to practice! Who on earth is your guru? It is time he or she is to be shown your actions online as there seems to be no other option.
You have no right to interfere with the practice of the masters. The precious jewel is to be only to those that deaerve it. What have you accomplished at all?
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"Do you think we have to know every miniscule detail of the Shugden mandala? There's a reason why there's ONLY A MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE RATHER THAN MINISCULE MANTRAS OF CERTAIN PROTECTORS in the Shugden sadhana.
You didn't even know that they had their very own mantras.
Get back under your bridge in Greece you TROLL!!!!
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"Do you think we have to know every miniscule detail of the Shugden mandala? There's a reason why there's ONLY A MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE RATHER THAN MINISCULE MANTRAS OF CERTAIN PROTECTORS in the Shugden sadhana.
You didn't even know that they had their very own mantras.
Get back under your bridge in Greece you TROLL!!!!
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Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that.
Of course you started a witch hunt. you don't even have evidence of the Greek even being here and are continuing on with your delusions. But then again, as you are a homophobic pedophile as you revealed in your messages and actions that the mods still haven't reported, I am not surprised with your discrimination of the LGBT shugdenpas. But whatever.
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"Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that."
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You can start with it's KACHE MARPO AND NOT TSIU MARPO!!!!!!!!!
You can start with it's SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI AND NOT THE BAMO SUM!!!!!
The Bamo Sum are from the Sakya!!!!
Shangmo Dorje Putri is from His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche and his Dungkar Monastery.
You are such a FAKE SHUGDENPA!!!!!!!!
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"Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that."
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Let's start with Shangmo Dorje Putri was placed into KACHE MARPO'S RETINUE IN 1902 BY HIS EMINENCE DOMO GESHE RINPOCHE.
SHE WORKS AS A DHARMAPALA UNDER KACHE (TSIU) MARPO.
SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI IS ONE WITH KACHE MARPO.
LETS START WITH YOU ARE A TOTALLY FAKE SHUGDENPA.
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"Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that."
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Let's start with Shangmo Dorje Putri was placed into KACHE MARPO'S RETINUE IN 1902 BY HIS EMINENCE DOMO GESHE RINPOCHE.
SHE WORKS AS A DHARMAPALA UNDER KACHE (TSIU) MARPO.
SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI IS ONE WITH KACHE MARPO.
LETS START WITH YOU ARE A TOTALLY FAKE SHUGDENPA.
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So you mean to tell me that since Za Rahula is part of Ekajati's retinue, he is therefore Ekajati?
What is your view of Dorje Yudronma in that case? You've claimed she is a fake and anti-Shugden, yet did you forget that she is an emanations of Vajrayogini?
You've claimed that you would no longer reply to me, yet here you are doing so as everyone else here is judging you silently in disappointment of how their vajra sibling is such a deluded idiot that everyone is afraid of arguing with, else they end up in a witch hunt. And by compassion, I am trying to prevent you from ending up the wrong way to vajra hell as many deluded tantric practitioners have ended. It seems that only your Lama shall be the one that shall tame you. Pity we don't know who it is(though it is most likely no one and starting your own path)
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"Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that."
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You can start with it's KACHE MARPO AND NOT TSIU MARPO!!!!!!!!!
You can start with it's SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI AND NOT THE BAMO SUM!!!!!
The Bamo Sum are from the Sakya!!!!
Shangmo Dorje Putri is from His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche and his Dungkar Monastery.
You are such a FAKE SHUGDENPA!!!!!!!!
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And what's the difference between Tsiu Marpo and Kache Marpo? Cited your evidence that they are different beings.
So what? If Shangmo Putri is a Bamo Sam sister, how does that not make her a Bamo Sam? Are you an attained master who has the right to practice her?
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"Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Start with that."
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START WITH THIS, NO TRUE SHUGDENPA WOULD CALL METHAR, NAMKAR BARZIN OR SHANGMO DORJE PUTRE "MINOR DEITIES".
START WITH THIS, THEY ARE DHARMAPALAS FOUND IN THE RETINUE OF A "BUDDHA".
JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW THIS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE "BUDDHA", LORD DORJE SHUGDEN.
THAT'S WHAT THIS "LAYMAN" STARTS WITH BUT YOU DON'T START WITH THAT DO YOU QUESTIONABLE?
OR IS IT NOW "LAMA" QUESTIONABLE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o"?
START WITH AND END WITH THIS, YOU ARE A TOTALLY FAKE SHUGDENPA!!!!!
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"Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Start with that."
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START WITH THIS, NO TRUE SHUGDENPA WOULD CALL METHAR, NAMKAR BARZIN OR SHANGMO DORJE PUTRE "MINOR DEITIES".
START WITH THIS, THEY ARE DHARMAPALAS FOUND IN THE RETINUE OF A "BUDDHA".
JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW THIS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE "BUDDHA", LORD DORJE SHUGDEN.
THAT'S WHAT THIS "LAYMAN" STARTS WITH BUT YOU DON'T START WITH THAT DO YOU QUESTIONABLE?
OR IS IT NOW "LAMA" QUESTIONABLE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o"?
START WITH AND END WITH THIS, YOU ARE A TOTALLY FAKE SHUGDENPA!!!!!
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And how many retreats have you done? Have you even completed a single one? It's clear you've never done a Nyung Ne nor a Vajrasattva retreat. You've probably haven't even done a complete Shugden! What right do you have to practice Shangmo if you've never even had the right training? Yes, major deities like Namkar Bardzin are important. However, Methar is something that varies among different lamas. But Shangmo, who on earth would want to that? You're not a master, so why care? You haven't even received the proper instructions! But this is from a Dalai Lama hater who probably doesn't have a teacher and propagates an evil spirit named, Nyatrul, while also just skipping questions and cherry picking what to answer.
Everyone, this witch hunter isn't even a Shugdenpa! It is Harold himself who is the Anti-Shugdenpa! By the force of Shugden, may his head be split into seven pieces!
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More and More uneducated quotes from Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) UnQuestionable.
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"So what? If Shangmo Putri is a Bamo Sam sister, how does that not make her a Bamo Sam? Are you an attained master who has the right to practice her?"
"..... the more unknown protectors like the Bamo Sum which should not even be practiced by amateurs such as you. This is reserved for the higher lamas who have experience and have the proper training...."
"...But Shangmo, who on earth would want to that?..."
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The great Dorje Shugden Tulku, His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche in 1902 made Shangmo Dorje Putri a Dharmapala at his head monastery at Dungkar, Tibet.
He placed her in the retinue of Dorje Shugden''s "Head Minister" Kache Marpo.
In 1902 Shangmo Dorje Putri escaped from both the Sakya and the other two "Bamo Sum".
She went and found Domo Geshe Rinpoche who like her was from the villiage of "Shang" Tibet.
She begged him to allow her to join him in whatever manner Rinpoche found fit.
He not only made her the protector of Dungkar Monaster but a Dharmapala along side of Kache Marpo and Dorje Shugden who are also the "Protectors" there.
This was in 1902 more than 20 years before Namkar Barzin joined Dorje Shugden's retinue.
This was also more than 15 years before Methar joined Dorje Shugden's retinue.
In 1902 there was Dorje Shugden with only Kache Marpo and Shangmo Dorje Putri at his side.
She is senior as a Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden's retinue to both Namkar Barzin and Methar.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche built a "Protector Chapel" for her in Dungdar Monastery.
Her "Protector Chapel" is open to any monks, nuns or lay persons to this very day.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche has placed no bounds on who may take Shangmo Dorje Putri as their "Dharmapala".
Unlike the Sakya the practice of Shangmo Dorje Putri is open to anyone both ordained or lay without restriction.
The Sakya may have seen her as a dangerous witch but not our Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
For 116 years any follower of Dorje Shugden could accept Shangmo Dorje Putri as their Dharmapala without any fears.
But Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable follows the Sakya and not Domo Geshe Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden's when it comes to Shangmo Dorje Putri.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche saw her as a Dorje Shugen Dharmapala and no longer a member of the Sakya "Bamo Sum".
Domo Geshe Rinpoche does not see her practice being for only "High Lamas" and not "Amateurs" like us.
Her practice is open to any and all followers of Dorje Shugden.
Remember Domo Geshe Rinpoche also gave us Namkar Barzin as a Dharmapala.
Namkar Barzin who is loved and not feared by followers of Dorje Shugden.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche freely gave us the Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri to be our Protector and helper.
Does this female protector sound like someone to be feared.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche thought not and neither do I.
But Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable does and she wants you to feel the same way.
So once again Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable has been exposed as a FAKE SHUGENPA.
I MEAN REALLY LAMA (:o :o :o :o :o) UNQUESTIONABLE YOU MAKE IT SO VERY EASY FOR ME TO EXPOSE YOU TO THE FOLLOWERS OF DORJE SHUGDEN.
NEXT TIME TRY AND DO SOME RESEARCH ON DORJE SHUGDEN AND HIS DHARMAPALAS BEFORE YOU TYPE ANYMORE OF YOUR SILLINESS.
Go back under the bridge from which you live TROLL.
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More and More uneducated quotes from Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) UnQuestionable.
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"So what? If Shangmo Putri is a Bamo Sam sister, how does that not make her a Bamo Sam? Are you an attained master who has the right to practice her?"
"..... the more unknown protectors like the Bamo Sum which should not even be practiced by amateurs such as you. This is reserved for the higher lamas who have experience and have the proper training...."
"...But Shangmo, who on earth would want to that?..."
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The great Dorje Shugden Tulku, His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche in 1902 made Shangmo Dorje Putri a Dharmapala at his head monastery at Dungkar, Tibet.
He placed her in the retinue of Dorje Shugden''s "Head Minister" Kache Marpo.
In 1902 Shangmo Dorje Putri escaped from both the Sakya and the other two "Bamo Sum".
She went and found Domo Geshe Rinpoche who like her was from the villiage of "Shang" Tibet.
She begged him to allow her to join him in whatever manner Rinpoche found fit.
He not only made her the protector of Dungkar Monaster but a Dharmapala along side of Kache Marpo and Dorje Shugden who are also the "Protectors" there.
This was in 1902 more than 20 years before Namkar Barzin joined Dorje Shugden's retinue.
This was also more than 15 years before Methar joined Dorje Shugden's retinue.
In 1902 there was Dorje Shugden with only Kache Marpo and Shangmo Dorje Putri at his side.
She is senior as a Dharmapala in Dorje Shugden's retinue to both Namkar Barzin and Methar.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche built a "Protector Chapel" for her in Dungdar Monastery.
Her "Protector Chapel" is open to any monks, nuns or lay persons to this very day.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche has placed no bounds on who may take Shangmo Dorje Putri as their "Dharmapala".
Unlike the Sakya the practice of Shangmo Dorje Putri is open to anyone both ordained or lay without restriction.
The Sakya may have seen her as a dangerous witch but not our Domo Geshe Rinpoche.
For 116 years any follower of Dorje Shugden could accept Shangmo Dorje Putri as their Dharmapala without any fears.
But Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable follows the Sakya and not Domo Geshe Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden's when it comes to Shangmo Dorje Putri.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche saw her as a Dorje Shugen Dharmapala and no longer a member of the Sakya "Bamo Sum".
Domo Geshe Rinpoche does not see her practice being for only "High Lamas" and not "Amateurs" like us.
Her practice is open to any and all followers of Dorje Shugden.
Remember Domo Geshe Rinpoche also gave us Namkar Barzin as a Dharmapala.
Namkar Barzin who is loved and not feared by followers of Dorje Shugden.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche freely gave us the Dharmapala Shangmo Dorje Putri to be our Protector and helper.
Does this female protector sound like someone to be feared.
Domo Geshe Rinpoche thought not and neither do I.
But Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable does and she wants you to feel the same way.
So once again Lama (:o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable has been exposed as a FAKE SHUGENPA.
I MEAN REALLY LAMA (:o :o :o :o :o) UNQUESTIONABLE YOU MAKE IT SO VERY EASY FOR ME TO EXPOSE YOU TO THE FOLLOWERS OF DORJE SHUGDEN.
NEXT TIME TRY AND DO SOME RESEARCH ON DORJE SHUGDEN AND HIS DHARMAPALAS BEFORE YOU TYPE ANYMORE OF YOUR SILLINESS.
Go back under the bridge from which you live TROLL.
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Source? Where is your source that Shangmo can be practiced in the Gelugpa lineage publicly?
None. Why? Because you're a fake. You've lied about a so-called "lama" claiming that Shangmo is Tara. You've contradicted yourself many, many times and just repeat yourself again and again to no avail. There is no point in talking to a wall.
As for your pedophilic remarks in private messages where no one can see your perverted mind alongside your homophobia, they are to be reported at once. Goodbye.
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"As for your pedophilic remarks in private messages where no one can see your perverted mind alongside your homophobia, they are to be reported at once. Goodbye."
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You mean the ones you reported to the "Moderators" and the results were "They did not believe you".
And Pastor Niral Patel also didn't believe you either and he deleted you from "Ask the Pastor" on Tsem Tulku's website.
Tell us about how you wrote to Pastor Niral Patel and told him about me and how you hated me.
He deleted you from his site.
Pastor Patel and the Moderators here may not believe you but I know someone who does.
He's a Global Moderator at the Anti Dorje Shugden website Dharma Wheel.
Show everyone these private emails you have so far refused to reveal.
You know the one's where you admit to being in contact with "Grigori" a Global Moderator at Dharma Wheel.
The same man who hates Dorje Shugden and bans anyone who attempts to posts any PRO DORJE SHUGDEN articles like me.
He has banned me 4 different times only after I revealed to him who I really was.
Tell your Lama that I've be back on his website again and posting under my 4th fake name and IPO address.
Finally here is a question I hope you can truthfully answer but I some how doubt it.
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"Goodbye."
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If "Goodbye" means I will never hear from you again well I'm calling BS on you.
GOODBYE LAMA ( :o :o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable
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"As for your pedophilic remarks in private messages where no one can see your perverted mind alongside your homophobia, they are to be reported at once. Goodbye."
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You mean the ones you reported to the "Moderators" and the results were "They did not believe you".
And Pastor Niral Patel also didn't believe you either and he deleted you from "Ask the Pastor" on Tsem Tulku's website.
Tell us about how you wrote to Pastor Niral Patel and told him about me and how you hated me.
He deleted you from his site.
Pastor Patel and the Moderators here may not believe you but I know someone who does.
He's a Global Moderator at the Anti Dorje Shugden website Dharma Wheel.
Show everyone these private emails you have so far refused to reveal.
You know the one's where you admit to being in contact with "Grigori" a Global Moderator at Dharma Wheel.
The same man who hates Dorje Shugden and bans anyone who attempts to posts any PRO DORJE SHUGDEN articles like me.
He has banned me 4 different times only after I revealed to him who I really was.
Tell your Lama that I've be back on his website again and posting under my 4th fake name and IPO address.
Finally here is a question I hope you can truthfully answer but I some how doubt it.
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"Goodbye."
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If "Goodbye" means I will never hear from you again well I'm calling BS on you.
GOODBYE LAMA ( :o :o :o :o :o :o) Unquestionable
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Exactly. This is the reflection of your hypocrisy. Since you think I'm Grigoris, I shall assume you as a homophobic pedo. You lack evidence of a teen being a bearded man, but that is your mentality.
And since when has the pastor been even on this forum? Seems more like he no longer wants to go to this website because of you(and I would understand why).
You too have said "good-bye", yet you ended up replying with BS to my comments as well later on.
And this, is my final goodbye. Goodbye. One day, may you finally reach liberation. ;D
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"And this ;), is my final ;) goodbye ;). Goodbye ;)."
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"...But this is from a Dalai Lama hater who probably doesn't have a teacher and propagates an evil spirit named, Nyatrul,..."
There is a teacher named H.E. Tsem Tulku who's very website we are on right now.
H.E. Tsem Tulku also "Propagates an evil spirit named, Nyatrul" on his website of tsemrinpoche.com.
On October 2, 2016 he posted any article which propagates the "EVIL SPIRIT NAMED, NYATRUL".
The article is titled "The Spirit Nyatrul: Magic, Mischief and Misery BY PASTOR ELENA KHONG JEAN AI | OCT 2, 2016 | VIEWS: 1,998".
Here is the link to that "EVIL ARTICLE ABOUT YOUR EVIL SPIRIT NAMED, NYATRUL".
https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-spirit-nyatrul-magic-mischief-and-misery.html (https://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/dorje-shugden/the-spirit-nyatrul-magic-mischief-and-misery.html)
Here are some quotes from that EVIL article.
"What I found intriguing about Nyatrul’s story was the Tibetan leadership’s extensive history of resorting to violence and murder to solve their problems."
"How Nyatrul Came to Be (Origins)
Based on the writings of H.E. Dagom Rinpoche.........At that time, there was a lama who Demo Rinpoche highly respected as someone worthy of making offerings to. His name was Nyari Tulku and he was an expert on retreats, having done millions of mantras of Tamdrin Yangsang. The Tibetan government started to doubt him because he was a tantric master who was very close to Demo Rinpoche so they had him arrested.
They bound his hands behind his back and publicly, they split his skin down the length of his torso and skinned him so his chest skin flapped downwards to expose his internal organs. Behind him, they hung up a sign saying that he was the one who sent black magic to the Dalai Lama.
Nyari Tulku did not die immediately. As he died, thousands of people passed by and spat on him, rebuked him, scolded him and insulted him because they could see the sign. IN REALITY ,HE WAS ACTUALLY INNOCENT AND FALSELY ACCUSED AND PUNISHED."
"QUESTION #2: How come Tagphu Pemavajra and the other high lamas cannot subdue Nyatrul? The 13th Dalai Lama could not subdue him so he had to ask Serkong Dorjechang, Tagphu Pemavajra, etc. How come Nyatrul does not have the karma to be subdued, since he is a spirit and not an enlightened being?
ANSWER: The root of the problem is that the civil servants of the Tibetan government punished Nyari Tulku even when he was INNOCENT. THEY KNEW HE WAS INNOCENT AND they knew that it is a sin to kill..."
So the great Dorje Shugden Tulku, His Eminence Dagom Rinpoche wrote that Nyatrul aka Nyari Tulku was an INNOCENT MAN AND HE WAS MURDERED BY THE DALAI LAMA AND HIS GOVERNMENT.
The Dharmapala Methar is also connected to Nyatrul aka Nyari Tulku since they were both INNOCENT MEN AND BOTH MURDERED BECAUSE OF THEIR CONNECTION TO TENGYELING MONASTERY.
SO YES LAMA UNQUESTIONABLE I DO ADMIT THAT I "PROPAGATE AN EVIL SPIRIT NAMED, NYATRUL".
SO DO HIS EMINENCE DAGOM RINPOCHE AND HIS EMINENCE TSEM TULKU.
We three are in your world all wrong about our views of Nyatrul and the great LAMA (:o :o :o) UNQUESTIONABLE IS TOTALLY CORRECT.
I WILL CONTACT H.E. TSEM TULKU AND ADVISE HIM OF HIS ERROR OF "PROPAGATING AN EVIL SPIRT NAMED, NYATRUL".
I CAN NOW SEE ALL MY ERRORS WHEN IT COMES TO YOU AND YOUR TEACHINGS LAMA UNQUESTIONABLE.
PLEASE ACCEPT ME AS YOUR STUDENT.
YOUR'S ARE THE ONLY TRUE VIEWS AND THE ONLY TRUE KNOWLEDGE WHICH WE THE FOLLOWERS OF DORJE SHUDGEN ARE MISSING.
ATTENTION EVERYONE ON THIS WEBSITE IMMEDIATELY ABANDON YOUR FALSE DORJE SHUGDEN LAMAS.
WE MUST ALL EMBRACE LAMA UNQUESTIONABLE AND HER TEACHINGS OR WE ARE ALL DOOMED TO HELL.
ALL PRAISE LAMA UNQUESTIONABLE.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6196.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=6196.0)
Here is a quote from an article written on this forum by Questionable on October 05,2018.
It expresses Questionable's inmost heart desire for the future of "www.dorjeshugden.com".
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Author Topic: Moderators, where are y'all? (Read 128 times)
Author - Questionable
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Moderators, where are y'all?
« on: October 05, 2018, 07:35:13 PM »
...... Could the site already die please or at least be controlled? .........
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"COULD THE SITE ALREADY DIE PLEASE"!!!!
"COULD THE SITE ALREADY DIE PLEASE"!!!!
"COULD THE SITE ALREADY DIE PLEASE"!!!!
Now we all know Questionable your inmost heart's desire for this website.
I shall condemn you with thy own words.
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I don't think Questionable is a Dorje Shugden troll. From what I read, it seems like a intelligent person. I think Questionable just questions things (excuse the punt)! ;D
Questionable seems to be well read to and I am learning from the exchange here.
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Someone on this thread has lost their marbles (and I’ll leave it up to you to guess who).
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"Do you think we have to know every miniscule detail of the Shugden mandala? There's a reason why there's ONLY A MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE RATHER THAN MINISCULE MANTRAS OF CERTAIN PROTECTORS in the Shugden sadhana.
You didn't even know that they had their very own mantras.
Get back under your bridge in Greece you TROLL!!!!
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Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that.
Of course you started a witch hunt. you don't even have evidence of the Greek even being here and are continuing on with your delusions. But then again, as you are a homophobic pedophile as you revealed in your messages and actions that the mods still haven't reported, I am not surprised with your discrimination of the LGBT shugdenpas. But whatever.
This is a valid point. Why focus on minor deities and unenlightened protectors? Why spend time with unenlightened protectors when we can propitiate enlightened ones - so much more benefits on so many levels.
Oh yes, I agree. People should not discriminate against others, just be respectful of everyone on public space like forum, discussion boards etc.
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Questionable has a reasonable opinion of things and it would be interesting to hear what he has to say. Through this heated exchange people can learn more from the exchange. But please tone done on the name-calling and be more civil and impartial with your analysis of each other's opinion.
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Questionable has a reasonable opinion of things and it would be interesting to hear what he has to say. Through this heated exchange people can learn more from the exchange. But please tone done on the name-calling and be more civil and impartial with your analysis of each other's opinion.
And maybe lay off the CAPS LOCK key too?
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"Do you think we have to know every miniscule detail of the Shugden mandala? There's a reason why there's ONLY A MANTRA FOR THE ENTIRE RETINUE RATHER THAN MINISCULE MANTRAS OF CERTAIN PROTECTORS in the Shugden sadhana.
You didn't even know that they had their very own mantras.
Get back under your bridge in Greece you TROLL!!!!
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Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that.
Of course you started a witch hunt. you don't even have evidence of the Greek even being here and are continuing on with your delusions. But then again, as you are a homophobic pedophile as you revealed in your messages and actions that the mods still haven't reported, I am not surprised with your discrimination of the LGBT shugdenpas. But whatever.
Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. This is a good question by Questionable, I'd like to know too!
And why would anyone private message anyone with crude discriminatory remarks? That itself does not sound like someone who is decent and sane.
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"Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that."
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You can start with it's KACHE MARPO AND NOT TSIU MARPO!!!!!!!!!
You can start with it's SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI AND NOT THE BAMO SUM!!!!!
The Bamo Sum are from the Sakya!!!!
Shangmo Dorje Putri is from His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche and his Dungkar Monastery.
You are such a FAKE SHUGDENPA!!!!!!!!
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What kind of Buddhist are you to be screaming and shouting at others just because your views are being shown as illogical? Why are you accusing someone you do not even know as a fake? You end up making yourself look like the biggest hypocrite on this forum. Not very nice at all.
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"Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that."
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You can start with it's KACHE MARPO AND NOT TSIU MARPO!!!!!!!!!
You can start with it's SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI AND NOT THE BAMO SUM!!!!!
The Bamo Sum are from the Sakya!!!!
Shangmo Dorje Putri is from His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche and his Dungkar Monastery.
You are such a FAKE SHUGDENPA!!!!!!!!
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Dear Harold
I appreciate that you are pro and passionate about Shugden. But your argument is very WEIRD!
Why we should start form Kache Marpo and not Tsiu Marpo? They came from the same body. What is the difference between Kache Marpo and Tsiu Marpo really? Maybe you can enlighten us on this matter?
And why we should start with Sangmo Dorje Putri, an unruly female protector? Are you a high lama Harold? I am not for certain.
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"Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo. Start with that."
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Let's start with Shangmo Dorje Putri was placed into KACHE MARPO'S RETINUE IN 1902 BY HIS EMINENCE DOMO GESHE RINPOCHE.
SHE WORKS AS A DHARMAPALA UNDER KACHE (TSIU) MARPO.
SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI IS ONE WITH KACHE MARPO.
LETS START WITH YOU ARE A TOTALLY FAKE SHUGDENPA.
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I don't understand why are you pushing for people to worship SHANGMO DORJE PUTRI who is an unenlightened Bamo? No Lamas asked us to pray to her, not even H.H. Trijang Rinpoche, and we have Dorje Shugden so why do you need to push for other "minor" deities for? Wouldn't it be smarter for us to just focus on the main great protector of our lineage who is an enlightened deity? This seems strange and sounds like you are the fake Shugdenpa here.
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This Questionable should have another name "Unreasonably Un-Questionable". I think he is completely off the mark with his questioning (oh dear..... so many "question" words :o).
Questionable said: Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Explain how the Bamo sum will enlighten you instead of Tsiu marpo.
I think you got it all wrong, and that may be the reason that Harold is so obviously frustrated at you. It is not about Shangmo Dorje Putri leading one to enlightenment, even in the strictest sense of the definition of a Dharmapala (even if they are enlightened), they cannot lead you to enlightenment. That is the function of an ishtadevata. But what I think (and Harold, please do correct me if I am wrong) what Harold is talking about is knowing everything about what you are practicing.
Since, Shangmo Dorje Putri is in Dorje Shugden's entourage, via being in Kache Marpo's entourage, why wouldn't a practitioner want to know about her? That just goes to show you exactly what the Buddha taught, and that is not to take anything at face value but to investigate everything before you practice. Why wouldn't a sincere, dedicated practitioner want to know about her, since he is in Dorje Shugden's entourage. If you ask me, Harold is right in wanting to know more about her. And from the way you have been reacting to his wanting to share about her, though I don't know you at all, I am starting to believe that you may in fact be a Troll after all.
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"Duh. Explain how you, a layman are going to reach enlightenment through such minor deities. Start with that."
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START WITH THIS, NO TRUE SHUGDENPA WOULD CALL METHAR, NAMKAR BARZIN OR SHANGMO DORJE PUTRE "MINOR DEITIES".
START WITH THIS, THEY ARE DHARMAPALAS FOUND IN THE RETINUE OF A "BUDDHA".
JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW THIS I'M TALKING ABOUT THE "BUDDHA", LORD DORJE SHUGDEN.
THAT'S WHAT THIS "LAYMAN" STARTS WITH BUT YOU DON'T START WITH THAT DO YOU QUESTIONABLE?
OR IS IT NOW "LAMA" QUESTIONABLE :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o"?
START WITH AND END WITH THIS, YOU ARE A TOTALLY FAKE SHUGDENPA!!!!!
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Dear Harold
"Questionable" asked how worshiping unenlightened minor deities like Namkar Barzin, Methar and Sangmo Dorje Putri can bring you to enlightenment.
Whay you started calling him fake and trolls?
Believe me I think Namkar Barzin, Methar and Dorje Putri are captivating and their practice have some beneficial result. But they are unenlightened. So back to the Questionable's question, how can unenlightened protectors help you to reach enlightenment when they have not reached the goal themselves?
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Since, Shangmo Dorje Putri is in Dorje Shugden's entourage, via being in Kache Marpo's entourage, why wouldn't a practitioner want to know about her? That just goes to show you exactly what the Buddha taught, and that is not to take anything at face value but to investigate everything before you practice. Why wouldn't a sincere, dedicated practitioner want to know about her, since he is in Dorje Shugden's entourage. If you ask me, Harold is right in wanting to know more about her. And from the way you have been reacting to his wanting to share about her, though I don't know you at all, I am starting to believe that you may in fact be a Troll after all.
I think Harold has a valid point of argument. If we are serious about our practice, why not give more information or be enthusiastic to learn more about the mandala of the Dharmapala? Same goes with when taking an empowerment of a yidam, you have to learn about the deity, the iconography, his/her mandala, makes sense.
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Since, Shangmo Dorje Putri is in Dorje Shugden's entourage, via being in Kache Marpo's entourage, why wouldn't a practitioner want to know about her? That just goes to show you exactly what the Buddha taught, and that is not to take anything at face value but to investigate everything before you practice. Why wouldn't a sincere, dedicated practitioner want to know about her, since he is in Dorje Shugden's entourage. If you ask me, Harold is right in wanting to know more about her. And from the way you have been reacting to his wanting to share about her, though I don't know you at all, I am starting to believe that you may in fact be a Troll after all.
I think Harold has a valid point of argument. If we are serious about our practice, why not give more information or be enthusiastic to learn more about the mandala of the Dharmapala? Same goes with when taking an empowerment of a yidam, you have to learn about the deity, the iconography, his/her mandala, makes sense.
It is fine to learn, share and exchange, it is another to FORCE it down our throats and demand like a 5year old kid and to keep shouting at people to practice unenlightened protectors. What is it with his hang up on Methar and all those unenlightened protectors.
Look I am happy with practising Dorje Shugden, so if I do not want to learn or practice, unenlightened ones, I think I have that right too. But honestly this guy Harold is just too much and the way he wants to encourage people to practice is just too demanding and turns me off. Sorry.
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From dsnowlion
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"What is it with his hang up on Methar and all those unenlightened protectors."
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Like what is it with H.H. Serkong Dorje Chang hang up on Methar an unenlightened protector??
Well Mr Dsnowlion he did make "Methar" a Dharmapala in Kache Marpo's retinue.
Like what's with H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche hang up on Methar??
Like what's with H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche writing an article on Methar and creating thangkas, a statue and even a "Praise to Methar".
Like what's with that Mr Dsnowlion?
Like what's with H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche hang up on Shangmo Dorje Putri and Namkar Barzin??
Like what's with making them "Dharmapalas" in Dorje Shugden's retinue????
Like what's with Dorje Shugden making "Methar", "Shangmo Dorje Putri" and Namkar Barzin" Dharmapalas in his retinue???
Like what's with all of that Mr Dsnowlion???
Like your right Mr. Dsnowlion when you state, "But honestly this guy Harold is just too much and the way he wants to encourage people to practice is just too demanding and turns me off. Sorry."
Your right and H.H. Serkong Dorje Chang, H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche, H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche and Lord Dorje Shugden are all wrong about these "Unenlightened Protectors".
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From dsnowlion
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"What is it with his hang up on Methar and all those unenlightened protectors."
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Like what is it with H.H. Serkong Dorje Chang hang up on Methar an unenlightened protector??
Well Mr Dsnowlion he did make "Methar" a Dharmapala in Kache Marpo's retinue.
Like what's with H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche hang up on Methar??
Like what's with H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche writing an article on Methar and creating thangkas, a statue and even a "Praise to Methar".
Like what's with that Mr Dsnowlion?
Like what's with H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche hang up on Shangmo Dorje Putri and Namkar Barzin??
Like what's with making them "Dharmapalas" in Dorje Shugden's retinue????
Like what's with Dorje Shugden making "Methar", "Shangmo Dorje Putri" and Namkar Barzin" Dharmapalas in his retinue???
Like what's with all of that Mr Dsnowlion???
Like your right Mr. Dsnowlion when you state, "But honestly this guy Harold is just too much and the way he wants to encourage people to practice is just too demanding and turns me off. Sorry."
Your right and H.H. Serkong Dorje Chang, H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche, H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche and Lord Dorje Shugden are all wrong about these "Unenlightened Protectors".
Dear Harold,
i find this message so much better to read than the ones with the Big Caps. Its so much peaceable and it helps people to be more accepting rather than shouting all the time. You are very passionate about the Dorje Shugden practice and I commend you but its good if you could take other people's question in good stride. Won't it be better to practice kindness to another with good replies that help them understand your mind rather than offend them and close them to possible knowledge that you have? Anyway I had a good learning session here, about Dorje Shugden retinue and in human nature....
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From dsnowlion
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"What is it with his hang up on Methar and all those unenlightened protectors."
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Like what is it with H.H. Serkong Dorje Chang hang up on Methar an unenlightened protector??
Well Mr Dsnowlion he did make "Methar" a Dharmapala in Kache Marpo's retinue.
Like what's with H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche hang up on Methar??
Like what's with H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche writing an article on Methar and creating thangkas, a statue and even a "Praise to Methar".
Like what's with that Mr Dsnowlion?
Like what's with H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche hang up on Shangmo Dorje Putri and Namkar Barzin??
Like what's with making them "Dharmapalas" in Dorje Shugden's retinue????
Like what's with Dorje Shugden making "Methar", "Shangmo Dorje Putri" and Namkar Barzin" Dharmapalas in his retinue???
Like what's with all of that Mr Dsnowlion???
Like your right Mr. Dsnowlion when you state, "But honestly this guy Harold is just too much and the way he wants to encourage people to practice is just too demanding and turns me off. Sorry."
Your right and H.H. Serkong Dorje Chang, H.E. Domo Geshe Rinpoche, H.E. Tsem Tulku Rinpoche and Lord Dorje Shugden are all wrong about these "Unenlightened Protectors".
Since when did Lord Dorje Shugden said we should practice Methar? If I'm not mistaken Lord Shugden always ask us to focus and practice Lamrim and Lojong. These Lamas may have written about Methar once, it does not mean we all must do his practice. And I do not see them spreading Methar teachings to others. Having information available for others to study does not equate to spreading his teachings. So again why the great big hang up?
Methar is unenlightened and we all know that all Buddhist teachers would ask us to focus on practising enlightened yidams and Dharma protectors than those unenlightened. So I think I will just follow their advice and the teachings they are propitiating actively. Anyway, it is all free will really, what people choose to practice at the end of the day is really their own personal choice and no one should force anyone otherwise. And the more you nag people into your views and beliefs, the more people are just going stay away from it. So best show kindness and lead by example instead of sounding like a fanatic cult.