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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: LosangKhyentse on December 29, 2010, 06:50:34 PM
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JANGCHUP LAM RIM TEMPLE-Lumbini, Nepal
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Here you can see Gangchen Rinpoche, Laka Rinpoche, Domo Geshe Rinpoche, Rabten Rinpoche, Shugden Oracle Tenzin Chophel, Lama Michelle Rinpoche.
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His Eminence Domo Geshe Rinpoche
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Rabten Rinpoche (incarnation of Geshe Rabten) and His Eminence Gonsar Rinpoche
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The sacred Shrine where Buddha issues forth from his holy mother Mayadevi. Beautiful.
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His Eminence Gonsar Tulku Rinpoche. The builder and Abbot of this great Monastery.
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Rabten Rinpoche
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The abbot of Shar Gaden Monastery also attends. He is sitting on the right
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Lama Michelle Rinpoche, Gangchen Rinpoche, Domo Geshe Rinpoche and the Current Dorje Shugden Oracle Tenzin Chophel
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Laka Rinpoche, Gangchen Rinpoche, Domo Geshe Rinpoche, Shugden Oracle Tenzin Chophel
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Watch the inauguration video here:
http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=6817#11
or watch on Youtube
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwidlL7DYb0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGiT4JwwD0Y
His Eminence the renowned Gonsar Rinpoche has been a firm and strong practitioner of Dorje Shugden since day one. He is the root and heart student of Geshe Rabten and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche among other teachers. He hails from Sera Je Monastery. He has wonderful centres in Switzerland, Mongolia and Austria.
Gonsar Rinpoche has recently built a beautiful Monastery in the Birthplance of our Lord Buddha in Lumbini, Nepal. Here are the pictures extracted from Donzong Tenzing in Facebook of the opening.
We rejoice another great monastery by Dorje Shugden practitioners has come up. This Monastery is in one of the holiest pilgrimage sites for the Buddhist World-The Buddha's birthplace. A site visited by thousands per month. What a auspicious site to build a Monastery.
TK
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Very nice, thanks.
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I rejoice for them. It is very nice to see more and more monastery being built, from there more monks and lay people can receive Buddha teaching and get the benefits.
How nice to see young Domo Geshe Rinpoche, if Dorje Shugden is a evil spirit, i do not think that all these high Lama can take rebirth as a human, be recognized and continue to benefit more people.
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This is a wonderful post and a great way to end 2010. We at dorjeshugden.com sincerely rejoice in the manifestation of Jangchup Lam Rim Monastery in Lumbini, Nepal.
We will add this to our permanent reads so it will be easily available for many.
Mana
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Beautiful pictures, thank you! I particularly like the ones of the high lamas standing together, especially with the young Domo Geshe Rinpoche... it's a rare sight these days. Encouraging to know we are not alone, and we still have great masters amongst us.
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TREMENDOUS - so much to rejoice in. I have been away and what better way than to come back to see these photos. How encouraging to see with our very own eyes what can be accomplished by sincere practice.
A treat to see so many wonderful lamas all at once... a celestial, divine gathering!
May many more monasteries and centers of learning like this manifest all throughout the world! May many more lamas and teachers and spiritual friends like these manifest everywhere! May they continue to bring the teachings to everyone! And may we make this possible too, with our own contributions, practice and making this known to more and more people. Thank you TK for SUCH a beautiful sharing.
humbly, beggar
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Rejoice !
May everyone has the opportunity to visit this holy place.
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How wonderful to see this beautiful monastery and Lumbini is such an auspicious place to have a monastery. It is really wonderful to have the Tulkus of our tradition still practicing Dorje Shugden come together, they reflect the future of our lineage. I am glad to see cute little Domo Geshe Rinpoche, which I presume to be the one recognised by Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche. He looks like a healthy young boy and will grow up to be a great master.
I also really like the Nepalese sculpture of the infant Buddha, his Mother Mayadevi, tree and attendants. Even the gods are present are carved while making offerings to the Buddha. This is so beautiful and sacred. There is a Dorje Shugden oracle amidst the High Lamas - Tenzin Chopel. I have not heard much about him before. Anybody know anything more like where he is based and all that. I wonder if he took trance in this temple... That would have been spectacular! =)
It is indeed a nice closure to the year 2010!
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So many wonderful Tulkus. Rabten Tulku, Gonsar Tulku, Dromo Geshe Tulku, Gangchen Tulku, Laka Tulku, Lobsang Yeshe Tulku all are here upholding our lineage and giving us great hope.
Thank goodness they were recognized and enthroned to carry on their works.
Great!
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It's beautiful! I loved to see the photos of the gathering of Tulkus - such great masters! And the young Domo Geshe is adorabe (er.. is it sacrilege to say a tulku is cute! :P). I love to see young Tulkus because they are a great sign of the continuation of the sacred mind streams of these holy beings.
Monasteries like this will also keep the continuation of the lineage going. The architecture is quite interesting also - with its greco-italian tetrastyle portico with English text and doric columns! Unusual for a Tibetan monastery and indicates that this monastery will probably be unique too.
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Wow great to know that Gonsar Rinpoche has recently built a beautiful DS Monastery on this auspicious site! and to see so many young reincarnated tulkus coming back to continue the lineage!!!
Thanks TK for sharing this with us.
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A sea of yellow hats! It is so encouraging to know of a new monastery of our lineage has sprung up, with the many Tulkus and vinaya holders present! We are seeing before our eyes, Duldzin Dorje Shugden manifesting his wondrous works in guarding Nagarjuna's Middle View, the precious teachings of Je Tsongkhapa.
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Rejoice! Rejoice! Rejoice!
Even with the ban, nothing stops the growth and development of Dorje Shugden.
How very auspicious for a Dorje Shugden Monastery to be built right in the birth place of Buddha Shakyamuni.
Too Beautiful For Words...
Thank you, TK for sharing it all with us here.
United the Tulkus stand, united we too shall all be in our devotion to the Supreme King Dorje Shugden.
HOPE LIVES!
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This Jangchup Lam Rim temple is another great example that devoted Dorje Shugden high Lamas like Gonsar Rinpoche, are establishing Dorje Shugden as a unique school of buddhism.
It is exciting to hear and see more and more monasteries which practices Dorje Shugden are built. The continuious return of the Tulkus to uphold the lineage give us great hope!!!
Thank you TK for such a beautiful post! I love all the pictures and hope dearly to visit this temple soon.
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Though Gonsar Rinpoche practices Dorje Shugden he does not disparage the Dalai Lama, consistent with dorjeshugden.com policies. In one of the pictures the temple has a picture of His Holiness the Dalai Lama with his two tutors!
Hence it is not just this site advocating the Bigger Picture!
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Though Gonsar Rinpoche practices Dorje Shugden he does not disparage the Dalai Lama, consistent with dorjeshugden.com policies. In one of the pictures the temple has a picture of His Holiness the Dalai Lama with his two tutors!
Hence it is not just this site advocating the Bigger Picture!
good observation! I hadn't noticed the photo until you pointed it out... though I can't see it clearly, I'll take your word for it.
Thanks!
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Gonsar rinpoche :D :-*
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Not just Gonsar Rinpoche who holds the middle view with regards to the Shugden issue many other lamas too
http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=6541
Gangchen Rinpoche has been denounced by the Dalai Lama many times and is on the hit list of the Tibetan Government. Gangchen Rinpoche still preaches world peace and does not speak out against the Dalai Lama.
There are a few more Dorje Shugden lamas who take the middle view, check it out on the article link posted above.
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How wonderful another Dorje Shugden monastery is built. This is indeed an auspicious sign for the spread and growth of Dorje Shugden practice in the future. To know that so many eminent Tulkus and Lamas such as Gangchen Rinpoche, Laka Rinpoche, Domo Geshe Rinpoche, Rabten Rinpoche, Shugden Oracle Tenzin Chophel, Lama Michelle Rinpoche are behind the growth of Dorje Shugden practice gives great confidence that Dorje Shugden practice will become even stronger and spread far and wide. May Jangchup Lam Rim Monastery in Lumbini flourish and be a great anchor for Dorje Shugden practice!
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Great post...Even in today's climate, a Shugden Pilgrimage site has been raised up! How now not to miss a visit to yet another holy place at the birthplace of Buddha.
Its all quite surreal to see, past, present and future all lined up (meaning the reincarnated Lama's). Domo Geshe Rinpoche looks very old, in such a young body. The eyes say it all for me, but the history of reincarnation is nothing new in the monastery, it been 100's of years, perhaps even 1000's of years this happening.
May this new monastery and all who teach, learn, study, practice and get attainments be countless and unboken for many years to come.
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Though Gonsar Rinpoche practices Dorje Shugden he does not disparage the Dalai Lama, consistent with dorjeshugden.com policies. In one of the pictures the temple has a picture of His Holiness the Dalai Lama with his two tutors!
Hence it is not just this site advocating the Bigger Picture!
Good point. I just want to add that even if people finds it difficult to accept the Bigger Picture, the basic mental attitude we can and should work towards is abandoning of anger and hatred.
We can never go wrong by practicing this way. If we stand so strongly for a human rights, doesn't it all start with compassion. It doesn't mean we condone harmful actions,...but only talking about it doesn't help. And we run the risk of harming ourselves by encouraging anger to develop instead of the goal of our personal practice.
Doing something positive to heal, to educate, to clear wrong views would be effort and time worth while spent.
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Though Gonsar Rinpoche practices Dorje Shugden he does not disparage the Dalai Lama, consistent with dorjeshugden.com policies. In one of the pictures the temple has a picture of His Holiness the Dalai Lama with his two tutors!
Hence it is not just this site advocating the Bigger Picture!
Good point. I just want to add that even if people finds it difficult to accept the Bigger Picture, the basic mental attitude we can and should work towards is abandoning of anger and hatred.
We can never go wrong by practicing this way. If we stand so strongly for a human rights, doesn't it all start with compassion. It doesn't mean we condone harmful actions,...but only talking about it doesn't help. And we run the risk of harming ourselves by encouraging anger to develop instead of the goal of our personal practice.
Doing something positive to heal, to educate, to clear wrong views would be effort and time worth while spent.
Agreed, DharmaK! It is what i think Buddhism is all about - to abandon the three poisons of ignorance, attachment and hatred... and it saddens me to see some Dharma brothers and sisters exhibit such vitriol towards the Sangha, like the Dalai Lama.
Fortunately for truth seekers, this website provides much information for people to make up their own minds and hopefully be find peace in their Protector practice within the turbulent chaos outside.
May I absorb their suffering...
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I just want to add that even if people finds it difficult to accept the Bigger Picture, the basic mental attitude we can and should work towards is abandoning of anger and hatred.
We can never go wrong by practicing this way. If we stand so strongly for a human rights, doesn't it all start with compassion. It doesn't mean we condone harmful actions,...but only talking about it doesn't help. And we run the risk of harming ourselves by encouraging anger to develop instead of the goal of our personal practice.
Doing something positive to heal, to educate, to clear wrong views would be effort and time worth while spent.
Well said, DS Friend!
Many a times, we do not think or even realise that we are the ones in need of healing as well.
Often times, we think the other people are the ones who need healing and we are the ones holding the right views.
If we are at all, holding the right views and not in need of healing, why are we still stuck here and we still cannot control our death or rebirth and we still need to come back here without any sort of control whatsoever?
All of us are in DIRE need of major healing.
Before we want to heal someone else, may be try healing ourselves first.
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Wow!! thanks for this wonderful piece of news and the statues of Mahamaya issuing fourth Lord Buddha and all her attendants are incredibly wonderful and detailed and very inspiring to boot. What is more incredible is that this monastery was created by a Dorje Shugden Lama, right in the Buddha's birthplace in Nepal which CTA has been unable to do despite all of their ministers and people and the CIA's support, what else have they achieved? Even the re-established monasteries were set up and created under the Dalai Lama's direction but executed by Dorje Shugden Lamas. Without Dorje Shugden Lamas, there is nothing in CTA. Dorje Shugden Lamas have proven themselves again and again to be capable and powerful leaders that can build huge Dharma projects and do much Dharma work. Proof: how many non Dorje Shugden Lamas out there that are famous? this discounts the lamas who have 'previously' practiced Dorje Shugden before the ban, because there is no telling if they are still practitioners, but they keep a low profile and not mention Dorje Shugden because they do not wish to hurt their disciples or the CTA or the other Tibetan Buddhists in the region. This new Lamrim Gompa is amazing and it will be an extremely beneficial place for many years to come and people will be able to derive infinite benefit from it.
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May many more Great Monasteries like this to be build in the near future. As Gangchen Rinpoche said every religion has their root or source, it is important to know that. No matter which sect we belongs to, it does not matter because our teachings came from the same Guru, which is Lord Buddha Himself.
We should all unite and embrace Buddhism, concentrate on practicing and transform our mind in doing good instead. Leave all those political agenda and issues forever...
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A temple by Shugden lamas in Lumbini can do well to bring even greater prominence to Dorje Shugden and the practice. Lumbini is a holy site identified by the Buddha himself and it is regarded as the mecca for Buddhists. Ten of thousands will come to visit the Mother Temple of The Graduated Path To Enlightenment.
By locating the Lamrim temple at the Buddha's birthplace, Gonsar Rinpoche and the Shugden lamas again pay homage to the arrival of the Buddha and the Dharma the Victorious One taught. These are not actions of monks who go against the teachings of the Truth to instead worship an evil worldly spirit as Shugden has been accused of. On the contrary, these are the actions of those who uphold the Dharma, which is at the core of the Dorje Shugden practice.
It is good to see Gonsar Rinpoche and Rabten Tulku together. Both Gonsar Rinpoche and Geshe Rabten Rinpoche are such highly attained masters recognised by His Holiness The Dalai Lama himself. Together with the other great lamas and their reincarnations, they go about their business of spreading the Dharma instead of playing silly political games that is the real cause of the Dorje Shugden controversy.
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Though Gonsar Rinpoche practices Dorje Shugden he does not disparage the Dalai Lama, consistent with dorjeshugden.com policies. In one of the pictures the temple has a picture of His Holiness the Dalai Lama with his two tutors!
Hence it is not just this site advocating the Bigger Picture!
It is true that Gonsar Rinpoche has never criticized the Dalai Lama and has instead focused on spreading the Dharma alongside with Dorje Shugden's practice. Gonsar Rinpoche's trust in the Protector is unassailable and like many other eminent lamas, he has never understood the reasons for the ban. This is what he said about the ban and Dorje Shugden:
"I have spent many years in exile and have a great reverence for His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, but now he is abusing our freedom by banning Shugden. It makes me very sad... We are not doing anything wrong; we are just keeping on with this practice, which we have received through great masters. I respect His Holiness very much, hoping he may change his opinion... I cannot accept this ban on Shugden. If I accept this, then I accept that all of my masters, wise great masters, are wrong. If I accept that they are demon worshippers, then the teachings are wrong, everything we believe in is wrong. That is not possible."
[Source: On The Outs By John Goetz]
What Gonsar Rinpoche said echoes the thoughts of virtually every Shugden practitioners, who in practicing the Dharma under the guidance and protection of the King Protector, never meant it to be taken as a political stance in opposition of the Dalai Lama. In fact, like Gonsar Rinpoche many are not at all interested in politics but have nevertheless been drawn into a mess created by a well meaning Dalai Lama who has unfortunately leveraged on his spiritual authority to achieve a political objective.
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Yes it's true... I have never once heard His Eminence Gangchen Rinpoche ever said anything negative about His Holiness... even though is in on the top in the Tibetan Government in exile's hit list of "wanted" Lamas! This shows you who they truly are, their wisdom, patience, and compassion. Their focus is all sentient beings and the Dharma not about a piece of land but about people.
And isn't it just so ironic and funny that all these wonderful brilliant Lamas who practices a so called "demon" Dorje Shugden seem to all spread the Dharma far and wide to different parts of the world and building temples and monasteries here and there.
I mean if they were really doing something wrong and/or demonic... why would their incarnations come back? Shouldn't they be reborn in the lower realms? Why would the Dharma Protectors such as Kalarupa, Hayagriva, Setrap Chen, Palden Lhamo etc etc not protect and well subdue Dorje Shugden in to their entourage?
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Yes it's true... I have never once heard His Eminence Gangchen Rinpoche ever said anything negative about His Holiness... even though is in on the top in the Tibetan Government in exile's hit list of "wanted" Lamas! This shows you who they truly are, their wisdom, patience, and compassion. Their focus is all sentient beings and the Dharma not about a piece of land but about people.
And isn't it just so ironic and funny that all these wonderful brilliant Lamas who practices a so called "demon" Dorje Shugden seem to all spread the Dharma far and wide to different parts of the world and building temples and monasteries here and there.
I mean if they were really doing something wrong and/or demonic... why would their incarnations come back? Shouldn't they be reborn in the lower realms? Why would the Dharma Protectors such as Kalarupa, Hayagriva, Setrap Chen, Palden Lhamo etc etc not protect and well subdue Dorje Shugden in to their entourage?
Now that is an interesting recurring theme that we have amongst the many DS Lamas that have existed: nobody has spoken ill against the Dalai Lama, (except for maybe, Geshe Keslang Gyatso and Kundeling Rinpoche, but those are special cases as they need to raise awareness of the whole issue in question, and I am sure they are not doing it to spite the Dalai Lama but to highlight the plight of the Dorje Shugden practictioners) and if that does not prove that Dorje Shugden Lamas are good, I do not know what else would. To me that is pretty clear that anyone who practices Dorje Shugden is good and not bad. What do you think?
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Interesting pictures update... These photos was taken today in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery, Lumbini, Nepal.
After HE Gonsar Rinpoche, HE Rabgya Rinpoche, HE Khen Rinpoche Geshe Lobsang Phende (Shar Gaden Abbot), HE Zawa Tulku Rinpoche and a group of sangha from Shar Gaden and Europe finished their land blessing prayer on HE Gonsar Rinpoche up and coming monastery land in Bahgalphu, they return to Nepal Jangchup Lamrim Monastery. ( http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=3279.0 (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=3279.0) )
When this group of lamas arrived in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery today, a special gift also arrived from Gangchen ladrang. HE Gangchen Rinpoche have kindly sponsored a 3D Dorje Shugden mandala to Jangchup Lamrim Monastery. Both party have no idea of each other schedule, and no arrangement have been made to deliver this Mandala. When HE Gonsar Rinpoche arrived in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery, this 3D Dorje Shugden Mandala also arrived about the same time.
HE Gonsar Rinpoche and other lamas was extremely happy and think this is a very auspicious omen, which I always told if one have strong guru devotion, protector will always show signs. I personally think it's a very clear sign that protector is extremely happy with this four lamas mentioned above and of course their works toward spreading the Dharma.
Attached are some photo of HE Gonsar Rinpoche and HE Rabgya Rinpoche doing puja in the protector hall in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery. At the left side of the main altar, is the 3D mandala just arrived today. I also posted a picture of a 3D DS mandala which look similar with what they have in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery, Shar Gaden Monastery and Serpom monastery.
This 3D DS mandala come in 3 tier, on the top most is Buddha Amitabha, middle is Dharmapala Setrap Chan (protector of Gaden Shartse Monastery) and bottom is Dorje Shugden. Quite interesting isn't it? Dharmapala Setrap Chan just reside on top of DS, if DS is wrong, why Setrap didn't do anything to "kill" or subdue DS??
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Interesting pictures update... These photos was taken today in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery, Lumbini, Nepal.
After HE Gonsar Rinpoche, HE Rabgya Rinpoche, HE Khen Rinpoche Geshe Lobsang Phende (Shar Gaden Abbot), HE Zawa Tulku Rinpoche and a group of sangha from Shar Gaden and Europe finished their land blessing prayer on HE Gonsar Rinpoche up and coming monastery land in Bahgalphu, they return to Nepal Jangchup Lamrim Monastery. ( [url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=3279.0[/url] ([url]http://www.dorjeshugden.com/forum/index.php?topic=3279.0[/url]) )
When this group of lamas arrived in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery today, a special gift also arrived from Gangchen ladrang. HE Gangchen Rinpoche have kindly sponsored a 3D Dorje Shugden mandala to Jangchup Lamrim Monastery. Both party have no idea of each other schedule, and no arrangement have been made to deliver this Mandala. When HE Gonsar Rinpoche arrived in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery, this 3D Dorje Shugden Mandala also arrived about the same time.
HE Gonsar Rinpoche and other lamas was extremely happy and think this is a very auspicious omen, which I always told if one have strong guru devotion, protector will always show signs. I personally think it's a very clear sign that protector is extremely happy with this four lamas mentioned above and of course their works toward spreading the Dharma.
Attached are some photo of HE Gonsar Rinpoche and HE Rabgya Rinpoche doing puja in the protector hall in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery. At the left side of the main altar, is the 3D mandala just arrived today. I also posted a picture of a 3D DS mandala which look similar with what they have in Jangchup Lamrim Monastery, Shar Gaden Monastery and Serpom monastery.
This 3D DS mandala come in 3 tier, on the top most is Buddha Amitabha, middle is Dharmapala Setrap Chan (protector of Gaden Shartse Monastery) and bottom is Dorje Shugden. Quite interesting isn't it? Dharmapala Setrap Chan just reside on top of DS, if DS is wrong, why Setrap didn't do anything to "kill" or subdue DS??
Thanks for the wonderful update and beautiful updates! so many interesting things happening and it is certainly more happening than Dharamsala. The Dorje Shugden 3D Mandala is indeed beautiful and very detailed and intricate. The story about how the mandala arrived at the monastery is also interesting - it does sound like a very positive and good omen for the monastery: kinda symbolizes the arrival of Dorje Shugden to the monastery's inauguration. Also, lets not forget that Gangchen Rinpoche is a highly realized being that is in reality a reincarnation of one of the 84 mahasiddhas.
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White lion, thanks for the update on events taking place after the land blessing ceremony at Bahgalphu. The photograph and explanations on the 3D Dorje Shugden mandala is definitely very helpful. It is the first time I gaze upon such holy object. It is good to note that Buddha Amitabha, Dharmapala Setrap Chan and Dorje Shugden resides within the same mandala. Which reaffirmed the fact that, if Dorje Shugden is a demon as claimed by certain individuals, how can he live in the same "house" with a Buddha and a Dharmapala?
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White lion, thanks for the update on events taking place after the land blessing ceremony at Bahgalphu. The photograph and explanations on the 3D Dorje Shugden mandala is definitely very helpful. It is the first time I gaze upon such holy object. It is good to note that Buddha Amitabha, Dharmapala Setrap Chan and Dorje Shugden resides within the same mandala. Which reaffirmed the fact that, if Dorje Shugden is a demon as claimed by certain individuals, how can he live in the same "house" with a Buddha and a Dharmapala?
Obviously, those who see him as a demon is mistaken because he is together with Amithaba and Setrap. Unless of course, these people dont believe that Amithaba and Setrap are enlightened, or that they just are too ignorant of who Dorje Shugden really is (which i think is usually the case) and they couldnt be bothered to find out more about Dorje Shugden and prefer to just take the easy way out by parroting the Dalai Lama. Well, eventually, HHDL will drop the bomb to them that Dorje Shugden will be unbanned and that he is a benevolent entity that also happens to be a Buddha and that he was wrong about him, and I cant wait to see how these people would react to that news. Will they still be adamantly against Dorje Shugden?