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dsiluvu

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Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« on: February 28, 2014, 08:40:12 PM »
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Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
Posted on February 28, 2014

Did the people who attended the demonstrations in California have positive experiences? Did the demonstrations have any positive effects on the minds of the people who encountered us? You bet! Far from being heavy or unhappy, the demonstrations in California were overwhelmingly positive. Both the demonstrators and many people who spoke with us left with a happy mind. Here are seven stories of people’s positive experiences at the demonstrations.



1. A student is glad we’re asking questions.

From: Eve Arias, Dorje Shugden practitioner from Connecticut

A student from Santa Clara University returned to the demonstration site after her class, wishing to get more information. After hearing a brief summary of the purpose of the demo and some insightful questions on her part, she said she was so thankful for the fact that someone was questioning the Dalai Lama’s actions. She left with a book [ The False Dalai Lama ], a wish to investigate and a big thank you to the group speaking up against the Dalai Lama’s actions.
2. The Tibetan woman who appreciated what we’re doing.

From: Kelsang Lhadron, American Buddhist nun and Dorje Shugden practitioner from New Mexico

When I was handing our leaflets on the corner outside the symphony hall [ in San Francisco ], a Tibetan woman walking by me said quickly and quietly “Thank you so much for what you are doing” and kept walking.
3. More Tibetans in Berkeley are also glad we were there.

From: Kelsang Samatha, American Buddhist monk and Dorje Shugden practitioner from NewYork

As we were waiting for the bus to leave from Berkeley to take us back to San Francisco, a couple of Tibetans walked by and looked up at the bus window, mouthing, “Thank you” to us.
4. Even the security guard left happy.

From: Kelsang Norbu, American Buddhist monk and Dorje Shugden practitioner from Florida

The security guard at the Forum in LA told me that initially he had thought, “Oh, no!” when he was told that he would be posted in the parking lot with the demonstrators, but by the end of the day he felt it was his best post ever. He said, “Everyone here is so nice!” And he was visibly smiling and happy, shaking my hand, and so forth.
5. “Yes, I’ll make prayers!”

From: Kelsang Dechok, American Buddhist nun and Dorje Shugden practitioner from New Mexico

In Berkeley, a lady approached me with the leaflet in hand. She was very soft-spoken and seemed somewhat physically challenged. She told me “I have read this (leaflet), and I don’t fully understand, can you please explain?”. So I told her more about the situation, how the Dalai Lama’s ban on Dorje Shugden practice has resulted in hundreds of ordained being expelled from their monasteries and being refused basic human rights such as medical care and education. She shook her head and said “This makes me very sad. Is there anything I can do to help?” I asked her if she was able to get online, thinking she could sign the petition. She said no. So I offered that she could read the book “The False Dalai Lama” and make prayers. She was so happy, she said “yes! I will read this book and make prayers”. Then she said “Thank you so much for what you’re doing”.
6. One young man decided to join in.

From: Kelsang Nyema, American Buddhist nun and Dorje Shugden practitioner from South Carolina

After the Dalai Lama’s talk in The Forum in Los Angeles, a young man walked up to Kelsang Chogo and me as we were demonstrating and asked tentatively, “Can I join you guys?” Chogo and I sort of did a double-take at this unprecedented request from someone who had been listening to the Dalai Lama speak just minutes before. But then we handed him a “Give religious freedom” sign and welcomed him.

When we finished the demonstration fifteen minutes later, I said to him, “I’m glad you could join us.”

“I am too,” he replied. Then he added, “The energy in here [ where we were demonstrating ] is a lot more positive than it was in there [ pointing to The Forum ].”
7. Other people leaving the Dalai Lama’s talk in Los Angeles provided similar feedback.

From: Kelsang Choma, American Buddhist nun and Dorje Shugden practitioner from California

Outside the Forum in Los Angeles, a man told me how disappointed he was with the talk he had just attended. He left the talk early said he felt that the Dalai Lama has been corrupted by power and is now just a politician.

As people were leaving the talk at the Forum, many people were very interested in reading the book and the leaflet. They were stopping their cars and coming up to us to ask for information. They were open, friendly and curious.

The demos were magnificent and I can’t remember when I’ve had a better time. Engaging in meaningful compassionate actions to protect the spiritual life of Shugden practitioners with Sangha from around the world, chanting from our hearts (and dancing a bit too) – wonderful. Definitely, these demos have been one of the highlights of my life; we were pervaded by blessings and love. I’ve booked my ticket to DC and think about 15 others from San Francisco are doing the same. Even three non-Buddhist members of my family in Brooklyn are going to try to join us in DC. I hope to see you there, too.
What Positive Experiences Will Come from DC?

These seven anecdotes are just a few examples of the wonderful progress we made in California in helping people to understand the Dalai Lama’s hypocritical ban on Dorje Shugden practice. Of the two hundred or so demonstrators who went to California, nearly all of them have similar positive stories to tell.

Why not join in when we demonstrate in Washington, DC? It doesn’t matter if you’re Buddhist or non-Buddhist; as shown above, everyone is welcome to participate and we want religious freedom for everyone, not just for Dorje Shugden practitioners. After the DC demonstration, you’ll be so happy you did something positive and compassionate on behalf of others.

Source: http://falsedalailama.com/personal-stories-california-demonstrations/


I find these personal positive experiences from the ISC protesters truly inspiring. If I was there I would have joined in too! Looks like there are Tibetans who are actually appreciative of what the protesters are saying, and it looks like many of them are suppressed and that they have to put up a front to look like they are on the Dalai Lama's side but in fact probably quietly and secretly still does Dorje Shugden but they cannot reveal that. What a shame and how sad! I wonder how many Tibetans are doing this in fear they would be persecuted.

It seems like inside the Forum people are beginning to feel less enchanted by HHDL teachings and talks or is it perhaps what is exactly meant to happen, at in premeditated by HHDL, I wonder? Cos many are debating and saying, if HHDL decides to play the "bad" person in this, He will need to play this role all the way till His death! Do you guys agree?

I find this really quite sad because:
1) It means HHDL will never ever lift the ban even till the day He passes
2) HHDL has done many good deeds also, but He will pass away leaving a not so nice memory of him to the world
3) Instead of compassion, Buddhism will be viewed by many as another one of those religion that causes war/harm/suffering. Buddhism as a whole will have an ugly name and it's eputation as the world's most peacegul religion will be tarnished.

What HHDL can do to prevent the above out come:
1) Lift the ban and apologise for implementing it against Human Rights - no doubt He will be easily forgiven by all
2) Make a public announcement that every Tibetan, Shugden or not should get the same equal rights to their welfare and no one should discriminate or harm any Shugdenpas and leave a legacy of forgiveness and true compassion for others.
3) Buddhism's reputation will not be tarnished because it takes big courage to say "I am wrong"

I do hope HHDL will be the Boddhisattva that many venerate.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2014, 05:07:08 AM »
I have been following the news on demonstrations. First I am happy that the demonstrations is a peaceful one. Many (mostly CTA) has claimed that Dorje Shugden practitioners are evil worshiper and therefore very violent and rough. But this peaceful demonstration prove them wrong, and Dorje Shugden practitioners are indeed discipline and reasonable.

Secondly, I am even more happy when many people find the demonstration has got very positive energy. I rejoice. Let's pray these demonstration will bring even more awareness about the ban to many and shorten the ban!

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2014, 07:04:05 AM »
I am proud with the Shugden protestors for being patient and peaceful with their protests. I feel it is gaining bigger and bigger momentum with the current round of protests. And I do hope that the message of how bad the Dorje Shugden ban is will spread all over the world and in this manner pressure CTA and the Dalai Lama to retract the Dorje Shugden ban.

On the other hand, I feel that the protest will inevitably spillover into an unnecessary character assassination of the Dalai Lama. I still hold some respect for the Dalai Lama despite all that he has done and I feel that it would be great if we don't drum in too much in this respect.

However, I understand the inevitability of this happening in gaining grounds with the abolishment of the Dorje Shugden. I dunno how this could be done but I guess there must be greater emphasis on the effects of the ban and the wilful enforcement of what is essentially a crime against universal human rights and religious freedom. I do hope the organisers of these protests would consider these points.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2014, 01:10:44 PM »
Oh Wow! It is great to read these stories form those people who are there and knowing that other people appreciate what they are doing to help bring awareness to the world on the Dorje Shugden ban. These are opinions and feedback from the lay people out there. Please listen to them.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2014, 09:23:08 AM »
Is good to pressure the Dalai Lama and CTA once awhile i guess, and more importantly is showing to the world  that we Shugden practitioners are no evil but we are very discipline and honour our words and the teachings very much to our hearts. What we are demanding is the religious freedom and stopped the ban which in fact ruined much life and created much hatred amongst once friends and families before.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2014, 01:17:18 PM »
Dear Dsiluvu,

Appreciate that you have shared this information. At least from this Demonstrations at California, I knew that we are not alone here asking for the ban to lift. And, I am pround that we, the practitioner of Dorje Shugden were peaceful and discipline.

I do agree what you have said, hopes Dalai Lama will lift the ban as soon as possible not wait till something big happens and become ugly. Till that time, it will not bring positive move to Buddhist. And for those people who are new to Buddhism, what will they think ? This ban have to be lift fast seeing that it bring more negative than positive.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2014, 06:36:44 PM »

It is great that more and more wonderful that so many new people will be more  aware of the situation at hand about this ban. The ban has been there for a very long time, there is no valid basis to continue  to carry on the ban.  Plus it is good for to have the ability to express something real and is the truth. 


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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2014, 12:28:21 PM »
I am proud with the Shugden protestors for being patient and peaceful with their protests. I feel it is gaining bigger and bigger momentum with the current round of protests. And I do hope that the message of how bad the Dorje Shugden ban is will spread all over the world and in this manner pressure CTA and the Dalai Lama to retract the Dorje Shugden ban.

On the other hand, I feel that the protest will inevitably spillover into an unnecessary character assassination of the Dalai Lama. I still hold some respect for the Dalai Lama despite all that he has done and I feel that it would be great if we don't drum in too much in this respect.

However, I understand the inevitability of this happening in gaining grounds with the abolishment of the Dorje Shugden. I dunno how this could be done but I guess there must be greater emphasis on the effects of the ban and the wilful enforcement of what is essentially a crime against universal human rights and religious freedom. I do hope the organisers of these protests would consider these points.

BigUncle, I have the same sentiment and view as you  ;) I do agree we should always watch our speech and actions and abide by the laws of karma. Condemning His Holiness, name calling, and putting him down, or ANY SANGHA member down, I believe there is heavy negative karma... and karma does not "discriminate" whether you're doing good, he's bad, wrong, you're right or not. Karma is karma... so let's be a little bit more logical instead of becoming like one of them anti-Shugden Tibetans that causes harm. We do not need to stood so low to speak our mind and demand for our rights to religious freedom!

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2014, 08:26:34 AM »
Determined demonstrations without hatred but with a purpose, that is the way!
Thank you for sharing these stories with us.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2014, 11:29:06 AM »
This is a good testimonial and I am glad I got the information here.

I still believe that HHDL and Dorje Shugden are working together.

I recall reading the previous demonstrations, many journalist put the demonstrations in very bad light.

This time it feels very different, something has changed from many years back and now. Hmm in me I think many dorje shugden practitioners have been busy, working hard, practicing and making Dorje Shugden to be known worldwide. The ban I feel has weakened tremendously.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2014, 01:26:35 PM »
We need to continue to work hard with the rest of DS practitioners in the world to lift the ban along with these devotees who sacrificed time and effort to attend these protests to bring the issue of the ban to educate others. Kudos to those who were in the protests.

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Re: Seven Personal Stories from the California Demonstrations
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2014, 01:33:27 PM »
I'm so glad that the protests have been held in a peaceful manner. I rejoice for the actions of the protestors in being vocal about the unjustified and completely wrong ban on the practice of our protector. I wish I was there and able to join in to bring attention to this issues. Perhaps the next time the Dalai Lama visits the UK, I will be at the forefront, trying my hardest to get the ban lifted. Only then can the work of healing our lineage begin, but even that, I fear, will be a long process.