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About Dorje Shugden => General Discussion => Topic started by: icy on November 02, 2013, 09:30:10 PM
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The latest update shows that the abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery has met with H.H. Trijang Rinpoche in the USA. The abbot travelled to Vermont where Trijang Rinpoche’s centre is located (http://www.tbiusa.org (http://www.tbiusa.org)) especially to have audience. H.H. the Dalai Lama instructed the abbot to make a trip to the USA to seek audience with Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche’s current incarnation, the aim is to request Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche to return to Gaden for a visit. Initially Trijang Rinpoche declined the visit of the abbot, but in his compassion he allowed the audience.
Below is the summary of the meeting:
1. The Gaden Shartse Monastery’s abbot requested Trijang Rinpoche to return to Gaden Monastery to give teachings, transmissions and talks. Trijang Rinpoche countered by saying that by the command of H.H. the Dalai Lama and CTA, all those who practice Dorje Shugden may not have association with those who do not, so this is not logical nor practical. All those who do not practice Dorje Shugden may not have any affiliations to Tibetans who continue their practice. In fact H.H. the Dalai Lama has ordered on many occasions that all those who practice Dorje Shugden may not participate in his ceremonies, teachings and gatherings. H.H. the Dalai lama strictly forbade Shugden followers to be involved. In light of this why is H.H. the Dalai Lama requesting Trijang Rinpoche to participate?
Gaden Shartse abbot Jangchup Choeden
2. The abbot himself requested Trijang Rinpoche not to remove Gaden Monastery from his heart. Trijang replied that he has not but it is in fact Gaden Monastery that has ‘forgotten’ about him. Gaden Monastery has vehemently expelled all Dorje Shugden practitioners. Therefore over 700 monks left Gaden Shartse to form Shar Gaden Monastery (http://shargadenpa.org (http://shargadenpa.org)). Trijang Rinpoche’s household (Ladrang) in Gaden has officially left Gaden Shartse to join with Shar Gaden Monastery.
3. Trijang Rinpoche told the abbot to send the message back to Kukey Yigtsang (the Private Office of H.H. the Dalai Lama) , that what Tibetans need now is unity and not separation. This Dorje Shugden ban is creating separation which is very bad on many levels. It separates the Tibetans within Tibet and outside of Tibet into two camps. This weakens the Tibetan culture, language, religion and traditions severely. Family members have been separated due to their different convictions in regards to Dorje Shugden. Trijang Rinpoche told the abbot to make sure he sends these points back to Kukey Yigtsang accurately, or Trijang Rinpoche himself will send an email. Trijang Rinpoche was very direct to send the message back to H.H. the Dalai Lama and CTA in Dharamsala.
4. One curious point is when the abbot presented the request letter to Trijang Rinpoche to return to teach, it was written on Gaden’s letterhead and not Kukey Yigtsang’s. If H.H. the Dalai Lama is asking Trijang Rinpoche to return, then why was the request letter not written on Kukey Yigtsang’s letterhead? Requests should have been by tradition written on both letterheads. Speculation into this might conclude in case Trijang Rinpoche declines, it would save Kukey Yigtsang embarrassment.
His Holiness Yongyal Rinpoche
5. H.H. the Dalai Lama asked Trijang Rinpoche to attend the upcoming teachings at Sera Mey . H.H. the Dalai Lama is giving teachings in Sera Monastery and requests Trijang Rinpoche to attend. H.H. the Dalai Lama would like to give all the teachings that he has received from Trijang Rinpoche’s predecessor back to him, but Trijang Rinpoche can get all these teachings from H.H. Yongyal Rinpoche, his current teacher in California. The complete lineage is held by Yongyal Rinpoche and it is not necessary to receive from H.H. the Dalai Lama.
6. Trijang Rinpoche told the abbot: H.H. the Dalai Lama says he has to ban Dorje Shugden because the 5th Dalai Lama banned Dorje Shugden, so he is following in the footsteps of his own predecessor. H.H. the Dalai Lama is continuing the works of his predecessors as this is only ‘right’ since he is the incarnation of his predecessor. This is the logic H.H. the Dalai Lama gave. Then Trijang Rinpoche refuted this and said, then Trijang Rinpoche himself must follow in the tradition of his own predecessors by continuing his practice of Dorje Shugden, which is a very logical point. How come only H.H. the Dalai Lama can continues with his predecessor’s ‘legacy’ and no other Tulku or reincarnated lama may do so? Very powerful and valid point. There are more Tulkus who have practiced Dorje Shugden in their previous incarnations, so why are they not allowed to continue in this incarnation without persecution? Why is one man’s decision (Dalai Lama) allowed to override all others? Where is the religious freedom? H.H. the Dalai Lama’s policies do not allow for other lamas who wish to continue their predecessors legacies to do so in freedom. In fact there are hundreds of Monasteries, regions in Tibet, families that have practiced Dorje Shugden for centuries that are persecuted. This is their freedom to continue their legacy. Why is this not allowed is what Trijang Rinpoche questioned. This is what millions of Dorje Shugden practitioners have been questioning since the ban started.
At this moment, everything about the Dorje Shugden ban is status quo from the CTA, which is that anyone who practices Dorje Shugden is not allowed to come near or has any sort of interaction/association with H.H. the Dalai Lama, but this invitation to Trijang Rinpoche as mentioned above contradicts it. All Tibetans who practice Dorje Shugden must be separate from Tibetans who do not. The rights and privileges of Tibetans who continue their practice of Dorje Shugden are not allowed by the CTA so far as of November 2013. They are to be ostracized from all Tibetan schools, hospitals, town meetings, decisions, Tibetan parliamentary gatherings, H.H. the Dalai Lama’s teachings and so on. This is total and complete religious persecution. Either you abandon Dorje Shugden or you do not have the rights and privileges of any other Tibetan.
H.H. the Dalai Lama’s administration must be suffering a lot of negative repercussions, pressure and loss of face from many of the Tibetans including Trijang Rinpoche not being involved with H.H. the Dalai Lama due to the Dorje Shugden ban, so this pressure must have forced the administration to go and invite Trijang Rinpoche back to Gaden Monastery. It is sheer desperation H.H. the Dalai Lama has resorted to sending the Abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery to seek audience with Trijang Rinpoche to request him back after he was forcibly expelled.
Trijang Rinpoche due to his practice of Dorje Shugden had to flee Gaden Monastery as there was many death threats to his life in which Gaden did not act to protect. Trijang Rinpoche has been away from Gaden for nearly 15 years solely because he chooses to practice Dorje Shugden. Trijang Rinpoche’s household and students were banned from Gaden due to the fact they do not wish to be forced into swearing in against the practice of Dorje Shugden.
Now the abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery has to return and report to H.H. the Dalai Lama the unsuccessful attempt to invite Trijang Rinpoche to return. This shows how committed Trijang Rinpoche is towards his practice, religious freedom and the general welfare of dharma practitioners. He feels everyone should have the complete freedom to practice what they like and he holds this stance strongly sending the same message to H.H. the Dalai Lama.
An interesting side note is the current abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery (Geshe Jangchup Choeden) who was handpicked by H.H. the Dalai Lama to be the abbot is not popular at all within the ranks of the Gaden monks. They are quietly calling for his resignation as he has neglected many duties of an abbot. They are hoping he resigns soon as well the ban.
Kay Beswick
North America Correspondent for www.dorjeshugden.com (http://www.dorjeshugden.com)
H.H. Trijang Rinpoche retorted to H.H. The Dalai Lama's instruction to return to Gaden through the Gaden Shartse abbot Jangchup Choeden - an eye for an eye. It is profoundly moving to note that H.H. Trijang Rinpoche has not swayed a micro bit but remained steadfast and loyal to the lineage and followers throughout this difficult period under the prosecution including life threats to his life.
When H.H. the Dalai Lama came a knocking on his door seeking his return to Gaden, it is time not too distant, for H.H. Trijang Rinpoche to flex his muscle and wings to demonstrate his ability and powers to the whole world as a Dorje Shugden lineage holder. No ban can ever deter nor stop H.H. Trijang Rinpoche but fizzles off in no time.
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Thank you icy for sharing these interesting events between HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH The Dalai Lama. I believe that knowing this would clear many doubts for new practitioners. HH Trijang Rinpoche made a very valid point as followings:
"How come only H.H. the Dalai Lama can continue with his predecessor’s ‘legacy’ and no other Tulku or reincarnated lama may do so?"
On a separate note, I'm wondering why HHDL is so adamant for HH Trijang to return to Gaden Monastery and Sera Mey Monastery? Why would HHDL want to reconnect with HH Trijang Rinpoche when HH knows that HH Trijang Rinpoche is a strong advocate of Dorje Shugden's practice? Wouldn't HHDL openly contradict himself?
It's very interesting how everything is unfolding itself. I feel that HHDL is so compassionate that HH would discredit himself for the sake of promoting Dorje Shugden in an unconventional manner. With due respect to HHDL, after HHDL is gone, the next "face" of Tibetan Buddhism will be HH Trijang Rinpoche. So perhaps, HHDL is now preparing for HH Trijang Rinpoche to take on this role.
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First of all, why did the Dalai Lama want to invite Trijang Rinpoche back to Gaden to teach? Is it because Trijang Rinpoche has been making news since turning 30 and is a threat to the Dalai Lama and the Dorje Shugden movement is getting stronger and stronger. Inviting Trijang Rinpoche back to Gaden to teach is going against his own words as he disallows DS practitioners/monks to with him. For monks who receives teachings from Trijang Rinpoche, wouldn't they be breaking samaya with the Dalai Lama?
All of Trijang Rinpoche's points in rejecting the invitation has valid reasons and the Abbot does not have any reasons to rebut those reasons. There must be an ulterior motive for that invitation back to Gaden. Maybe, it is to show that a reconciliation is on its way. If it is true, then it is good news. I guess the Dalai Lama would have to be more persistent since so many people has suffered since the ban was imposed.
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I would not be the only one sensing that the tide is changing, and strongly as well. For decades, Dorje Shugden lamas and practitioners have had to endure the assault by the CTA and Dalai Lama’s Office against a deity and religious practice which they have lived and sworn by, which translated into all-out hostilities against their livelihood and freedom. Even Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche was not spared. While Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche's compassion may not allow him to hold grudges, neither would his wisdom allow him to forget how the CTA tried to eradicate a Protector who has helped the Tbetans through many difficult times.
What disappoints me most about this latest news is how recalcitrant the CTA, Dalai Lama’s Office and anti-Shugden lamas and monasteries still are about a mistake that should have rectified a long time ago. Instead of showing any sincerity, they are still trying to maneuver this very process of inviting Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to return to India and manipulate the situation, for e.g. by presenting a desperate request as if it is a noble offer to pass the lineage practice to the young Trijang Rinpoche. It is also shocking that the Dalai Lama’s office would assume that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche could be tricked or bought. I think this itself shows how little the Tibetan leadership think of their own Tibetan people. At the same time, perhaps it also shows that the Dalai Lama’s people are not coming to grips with the fact that His Holiness’s influence is fast waning due to too many unfair practices and inconsistencies over the decades, and they still think that the name of the Dalai Lama is sufficient to summon lamas action. The ban very much damaged the Dalai Lama’s and the Tibetan authority’s credibility.
By not presenting the Dalai Lama’s request to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche on the Dalai Lama’s Private Office letterhead as is the correct protocol, I guess the Dalai Lama and his minders already guessed that the request would be denied by Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. And yet they went ahead and sent a senior monk to literally embarrass himself with such a ridiculous suggestion. What is it that the CTA and Dalai Lama’s office are so fearful of that they should seek to go all out to try and bribe Trijang Rinpoche to return?
All honest Tibetan people and any good ministers and politicians left in the CTA, as well as Tibetan scholars and observers must take good note of this latest move by the Tibetan leadership, and force the question to be answered by the Dalai Lama. Why this change? Why invite a significant Shugden lama to return to the land and monasteries from where they were expelled and pretend as if no injustice had occurred after an entire community of people have been torn apart and after the holy sangha has been split from within.
I very much feel that we are seeing the tail end of a religious ban and with that, the fast fading control that the Dalai Lama’s office and CTA have exacted on the Tibetan people for too long.
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So, That's what's up. Long live His Holiness. I mean His Holiness Trijang chocktrul Rinpoche.
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This is incredible news and its truly an insider's scoop on the latest news. I am proud of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche for stepping up his ground and I just love his simple logic and reasoning. He is so practical and patient to answer each and every point of request. I am sure the Dalai Lama is not desperate and arbitrarily sending the abbot to make an empty request. He must know that Trijang Rinpoche is mature and confident enough to reject the abbot. He must be sending the abbot to reveal Kyabje Trijang Rinppche's true nature and steadfastness to the Dorje Shugden practice and lineage.
I don't think that Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche needs to flex any muscle or show anything to the Dalai Lama. They know each other very well. I just think that the Dalai Lama is sending the abbot because it is time to reveal more and more of the hidden qualities of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche as his time has come to reach out and continue where his predecessor has left off. As each time the Dalai Lama or anybody on his behalf makes such a request, it becomes more and more apparent who Trijang Rinpoche is and his stance on maintaining his lineage of his predecessors. This will become more and more apparent with time.
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I am sure the Dalai Lama is not desperate and arbitrarily sending the abbot to make an empty request.
Probably he just wanted to be seen as such (desperate and erratic). If so, he magnificently succeeded.
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[quote author=Big Uncle
I don't think that Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche needs to flex any muscle or show anything to the Dalai Lama. They know each other very well. I just think that the Dalai Lama is sending the abbot because it is time to reveal more and more of the hidden qualities of Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche as his time has come to reach out and continue where his predecessor has left off. As each time the Dalai Lama or anybody on his behalf makes such a request, it becomes more and more apparent who Trijang Rinpoche is and his stance on maintaining his lineage of his predecessors. This will become more and more apparent with time.
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Yes, you are right Big Uncle, H.H. Trijang Rinpoche does not need to show his ability to the Dalai Lama. These are divine plays of the Buddhas to subdue our samsaric minds. When H.H. Trijang Rinpoche flex his muscle and wings, it means that inevitably he will take flight from a fledgeling into a mighty Shugden lineage master soaring the limitless space to benefit infinite beings like his predecessors.
H.H. Trijang Rinpoche will restore and increase faith on Dorje Shugden in the light of the bad publicity which had been created by the Dalai Lama for a bigger picture. He the Shugden Lineage Holder will eventually manifest power to show the world who he really is by miraculous signs, one of which is the manifestation of rinchen ribu (precious pill) from his body. I was in awe when I heard this prediction from a high Shugden Lama in the early days when the ban on Shugden was implemented.
In Tibetan Medicine, rinchen ribu has the capacity to heal diseases. The capacity of these special pills have therapeutic effects based on special and often unusual ingredients from complex pharmacological processing methods coupled by the spiritual power of the physician who prepares them.
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Guys! Have you read what the Gaden Khenpo said in respond to this article? He made his answer known on his Facebook page! Go LOOK... https://www.facebook.com/KRjangchoe?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/KRjangchoe?fref=ts)
It is quite hilarious for him to think he can suddenly be the one to bridge the gap between two global high Lamas!!!
Well this goes to show that there a lot of anti-DS fan lurking and watching this website! Obviously they are on the look out on the news! I guess Dorjeshugden.com admin, your website must have some weight, authority and influential if not why bother right? Good job! ;)
Also I'm sure the Shartse Abbot is also freaking out cos this news is circulating all over the cyber world through the Facebook fan page and tweets! And that leaves him with no choice but to quickly refute with some baseless reasons to cover up as the embarrassment of the a unsuccessful, wasted mission.
It must be a huge embarrassment not just for him but also for Kukey Yigtsang (the Private Office of H.H. the Dalai Lama). It seems like the Khenpo was also picked as the "scapegoat" in preparation for if such a situation arise and in case the mission is a failure.
Yeah right, like we're all going to believe after so many years of the BAN and HHDL saying even His Guru Trijang Rinpoche is "WRONG", suddenly now the HERO current Gaden Khenpo who has NO RELATIONSHIP or CLOSENESS to Trijang Rinpoche is SUDDENLY CONCERN and CARES about the gap between the two world's biggest Lamas and that He so bravely thought and took the initiative to go see Trijang Rinpoche to request Trijang Rinpoche to change his mind about Dorje Shugden practice, come back to Gaden and oh attend HHDL teachings! And yeah all this was without HHDL consent and approval!!!!
Like Wow, the world is so gonna buy and believe that?! Only people who will buy this story is those non existing govt people in CTAS and Pro-Dalai Lama supporters would applause this without much thought of course. What else is NEW?!
Question:
1. Why do you want to invite a DS practicing Lama to come to receive teachings from HHDL or even attend when you've put a blanket ban on all DS practitioners?
2. This goes back to DS practitioners' questions from before... "How come Trijang Rinpoche is ok to practice Dorje Shugden and we're not??? This part He and the CTA has never answered and always avoided.
3. How on earth did he think he could bridge the gap between two global high Lamas? To do so, does He not need HHDL approval and agreement first? What's it got to do with him? Wouldn't it be better to send someone like the Gaden Tripa which would be better because of the caliber and rank of these Lamas?
4. What has this Khenpo done for Gaden/Tibetan Buddhism as a whole to give him the right and proper authority to suddenly be the one chosen to request Trijang Rinpoche to return to Gaden? So far from results shows clearly he has done nothing for Gaden. Just look at Gaden's website and compare with his own website. Major self-promoter, major difference!
5. If the Khenpo thinks he can bridge the gap, then wouldn't he still need to run through this idea to HHDL? We all know you cannot just do this type of visits to a DS Lama without probably being investigated and questioned silly by the CTA/His Holiness's office if it is not something they are approving of! So his reasons has many loop holes that tells us he is just full of baloney!
6. If it doesn't matter if Trijang Rinpoche came to the teachings or not, then why request in the first place? And wouldn't this request also has to be approved or known by HHDL. So there again shows it cannot be just from His own initiative. IF Trijang Rinpoche did agree to come, there would be huge preparations, obviously the whole world would know!
7. We should ask him, since this is His initiative, wonder who is coughing up the expenses of this sacred mission? Is it Gaden? Isn't Gaden in a bad financial state, what's he doing to help his own monastery? Why is He simply spending the sangha fund on a mission not even requested by His Holiness cos He claims it has nothing to do with His Holiness and that it was his own initiative.
This Khenpo's respond was really not well thought out. I wonder who is the PR person advising him, otherwise it just shows he's not very "smart". I wonder if he's just started opening up a bigger can of worms. :o
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dsiluvu, i think the big problem is that he did not have any PR person to advise him. I mean this half-baked statement is really something he came up with all by himself, i do believe, while i am highly skeptical regarding the visit to HH Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche being of his own volition. This statement is really shooting himself in the foot and will create more unhappiness and perhaps even inspire action by disgruntled parties. Perhaps the khenpo is merely an unwitting pawn in this whole Shugden saga as the ban draws to an end...
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It is an interesting update indeed. I chanced by Shartse Khenpo’s reply on his facebook wall and what Khenpo wrote is totally contradicting himself and I find it disturbing to a point of being disrespectful. He wrote: “if Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche attends these upcoming teachings in Sera or not won’t make any difference at all. Most important issue for me and my colleagues are to restore relationship between two holy man.” My question to the abbot, if I may be so bold to ask is, If Trijang Rinpoche’s presence is not important as you say, why would you make a trip to TBI and why would you want to reunite both HHDL and Trijang Rinpoche together? Unless there’s another agenda….
What I find it most ridiculous is, why spend so much time, effort and resources on just going to the states and present these falsehood? Where does it get the abbot into? I don't think that there's any limelight whatsoever. And whoever's above trying to put pressure onto the abbot is directly and indirectly putting all the high Lamas, ladrangs, geshes and monks down by doing so. Gaden's pristine image has lost its glory because it has entered the shadows of politics.
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Guess what guys... it's actually on the CTA's official website... http://tibet.net/2013/11/11/abbot-of-gaden-shartses-clarification/ (http://tibet.net/2013/11/11/abbot-of-gaden-shartses-clarification/)
Abbot of Gaden Shartse’s Clarification
November 11, 2013 3:15 pm
DHARAMSHALA: The abbot of Gaden Shartse Monastery has issued the following clarification in response to the baseless and misleading reports titled “Abbots Urgently Sent to the USA” and “UPDATE: Abbots Urgently Sent to the USA”, published on September 26 and November 2, 2013, respectively.
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Looks like the CTA really needed to cover up their face... I'm sure it must be embarrassing to waste so much moeny and time sending these two Khenpo and return with zero results! What do they expect really?! Are they really "not" that smart? What do they take H.H. Trijang Rinpoche for??? Perhaps, they are sensing that they are obviously losing their grip even amongst their own Tibetans and hopefully they could gather more followers if H.H. Trijang Rinpoche decides to switch camps. But then again I ask... what do they think H.H. Trijang Rinpoche is? An ordinary person? A puppet they can just swing their way around? What a waste of time and resources, the money could have been put to good use like support the welfare of their people???
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It is an interesting update indeed. I chanced by Shartse Khenpo’s reply on his facebook wall and what Khenpo wrote is totally contradicting himself and I find it disturbing to a point of being disrespectful. He wrote: “if Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche attends these upcoming teachings in Sera or not won’t make any difference at all. Most important issue for me and my colleagues are to restore relationship between two holy man.” My question to the abbot, if I may be so bold to ask is, If Trijang Rinpoche’s presence is not important as you say, why would you make a trip to TBI and why would you want to reunite both HHDL and Trijang Rinpoche together? Unless there’s another agenda….
Yes very true, if the precedes of Trijang Rinpoche is not going to make a difference, then why go all the way to Vermont and invite Rinpoche? It is very obvious there is a different agenda in that trip. The presence of Trijang Rinpoche is very significant, I opine that it will show the world that Trijang Rinpoche still supports the Dalai Lama and that would make a huge difference in the Tibetan cause the CTA is fighting for. Trijang RInpoche has lots of followers and supporters. With him being at the Dalai Lama's teachings, it may cause more people to come back to support the Dalai Lama. However, the best way to gain back support is to lift the ban. Total no brainer!!
What I find it most ridiculous is, why spend so much time, effort and resources on just going to the states and present these falsehood? Where does it get the abbot into? I don't think that there's any limelight whatsoever. And whoever's above trying to put pressure onto the abbot is directly and indirectly putting all the high Lamas, ladrangs, geshes and monks down by doing so. Gaden's pristine image has lost its glory because it has entered the shadows of politics.
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It is an interesting update indeed. I chanced by Shartse Khenpo’s reply on his facebook wall and what Khenpo wrote is totally contradicting himself and I find it disturbing to a point of being disrespectful. He wrote: “if Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche attends these upcoming teachings in Sera or not won’t make any difference at all. Most important issue for me and my colleagues are to restore relationship between two holy man.” My question to the abbot, if I may be so bold to ask is, If Trijang Rinpoche’s presence is not important as you say, why would you make a trip to TBI and why would you want to reunite both HHDL and Trijang Rinpoche together? Unless there’s another agenda….
What I find it most ridiculous is, why spend so much time, effort and resources on just going to the states and present these falsehood? Where does it get the abbot into? I don't think that there's any limelight whatsoever. And whoever's above trying to put pressure onto the abbot is directly and indirectly putting all the high Lamas, ladrangs, geshes and monks down by doing so. Gaden's pristine image has lost its glory because it has entered the shadows of politics.
I completely agree with Jagger. Shartse Kenpo contradicts himself all the way with his ridiculous answers. He thinks we are gullible to his stories. Without doubt Gaden Monastery has lost its glory days. Now the shift of wind is to Shar Gaden where we can find all the top notch monks, geshes and lamas. They are truly practising strong guru devotion and commitment to the Shugden lineage. They are most honourable and incredible lineage holders in the face of adversity. If CTA is smart lift the ban to prevent 'brain and character' lost to Shar Gaden.
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Well I dannae if you lot have been following the comments section closely, but it seems like thereve been some responses to the hypocritical comments. Of course the CTA would never publish these responses on their site, because woe be unto them if they were to acknowledge the fact dissenting views actually existed in their society
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From Rachel:
Khenpo-la,
Thank you for posting this comment. It is good to know that Khenpo-la is a regular reader of dorjeshugden.com… this post is so new and yet there is already a comprehensive response from you! If this website did not have credibility, or the ability to change people’s opinions, my guess is that Khenpo-la would not bother to respond.
Please allow me to share my thoughts on your comment.
1. I find it interesting that Khenpo-la mentions Trijang Rinpoche did not say yes or no to your request about changing his stance on Dorje Shugden. Why would Khenpo-la ask Trijang Rinpoche a question like that if Trijang Rinpoche is not practising? Why is the Dalai Lama’s teacher still practising? And since Trijang Rinpoche is practising, why visit a Shugden lama if they are negative and evil? I thought His Holiness’ advice was for all non-Shugden lamas to stay away from those who practise Shugden.
2. I mean no disrespect but if the Dalai Lama cannot persuade his own teacher to give up Shugden, why does Khenpo-la think he can change Trijang Rinpoche’s mind? Especially if Khenpo-la did not receive instructions from Kuger Yigtsang to make this trip?
3. Why did Khenpo-la feel it is necessary to use monastic resources to visit Trijang Rinpoche, although the Dalai Lama has told everyone to stay away from lamas who practise Shugden? It makes me wonder if perhaps Khenpo-la is courting favourable reviews from Kuger Yigtsang, by being seen to reach out to Trijang Rinpoche. I certainly do not hope this is the case.
I find the whole affair quite amusing because if Trijang Rinpoche does not want to practise Dorje Shugden anymore, he would have said so at your meeting. Then Khenpo-la would definitely report that Trijang Rinpoche has given up. Since there is no such report, therefore Trijang Rinpoche has not given up the practice which means Khenpo-la was not able to convince Trijang Rinpoche to give it up. So therefore, I am truly sorry to hear Khenpo-la did not have a successful trip to the USA. I hope Khenpo-la’s future use of monastic resources has a greater chance of coming to a successful outcome.
Kind regards.
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Heres the other one, posted by Mar Nee...its pretty comprehensive, suggest you get your cuppa ready and a comfortable place to sit :D
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This post is in response to the Ganden Shartse Khenpo’s comments on an article “Abbots Urgently Sent To The USA” that appeared in DorjeShugden.com on the 26th September 2013 and a more recent update, “Update: Abbots Urgently Sent To The USA”, published on 2nd November 2013. In his comments, the Shartse Khenpo has sought to imply that DorjeShugden.com is an unprofessional and disingenuous site that publishes “baseless reports” without making any effort to “find authentic information”.
The fact is, more often than not, this site is extremely sensitive to the feelings and reputations of the lamas it may report on, as the site’s main objectives are to create awareness of an unfair, unholy and illegal ban on the practice of the Dharma Protector, Dorje Shugden, and to provide facts and supported information to anyone who may wish to learn the truth about Dorje Shugden and the events surrounding the banning of this ancient practice. The site has no interest and indeed finds no necessity to twist facts, when the truth itself provides an abundance of material to write about. However, and quite alarmingly some, such as the Shartse Khenpo have not respected this and continue to mislead the public with distorted information, most of which can be easily proven to be false.
The report on the Shartse Khenpo being sent to the USA was based on facts communicated by people who are very familiar with the circumstances surrounding his visit. Some were even present when the Khenpo visited Trijang Rinpoche. The Shartse Khenpo’s plan to visit Trijang Rinpoche was not public information and was not available on his personal website, his Facebook, Ganden Shartse’s website, the CTA’s website nor the Dalai Lama’s website. It was known only to a small selection of people within the monasteries and for DorjeShugden.com to have come to know of the visit even before it took place is an indication of how reliable and authentic the site’s sources are. What the Khenpo must realize is that there are still honest monks who wish to have the truth being told, and there are still serious Dharma practitioners who realize how wrong the Shugden ban is, and how the efforts to hide the truth from the people have placed the sanctity of Tibetan Buddhism on a slippery slope to extinction.
In response to the Shartse Khenpo’s fallacious statement, we would like to highlight a number of observations.
1. To begin with, the Khenpo’s attempt to repair the damage between the Dalai Lama and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche, by his own statement, is a clear indication that he acknowledges that there IS a serious problem that has been caused by the ban. The illegal ban forced on the sangha caused deep fractures and schism within the sangha community and ruined many relationships, including that of many gurus and their students. The “gap” between the Dalai Lama and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche was not the only one created by the ban. If the Khenpo recognizes the significance of a guru-student relationship, then he should not selectively contain this matter of great import to merely the relationship between the Dalai Lama and his teacher, but to all similar relationships.
2. The Khenpo, if he were to be true to his proclamation, should look into repairing the multitude of relationships torn asunder by the Shugden ban that he has condoned thus far. But the Shartse Khenpo has not done anything to that end and therefore it is intriguing that he should, after so many years – each presenting a multitude of opportunities, suddenly make a surprising, feeble and short-lived attempt now. Why only now is the Khenpo interested in this problem that has been festering right under his nose all this time? Why hasn’t the Khenpo done anything about damaged guru-student relationships closer to his own monastery, for instance the individual and collective relationships between Ganden Shartse and Shar Ganden monks? Is the Khenpo only interested in relationships and matters that involve the Dalai Lama?
3. The Shartse Khenpo’s comments did not say anything much of substance. However, the one thing that screamed for attention is the Khenpo’s vehement and emphatic insistence that he acted on his own accord, instead of on instruction from the Kuger Yigtsang (The Dalai Lama’s Office) which we know to be the fact. The Khenpo “doth protest too much, methinks” which reminds me of Shakepeare’s Hamlet. In that tragic play, that phrase has come to mean to “insist so passionately about something not being true that people suspect the opposite of what one is saying”. What or who here is the Shartse Khenpo protecting by his insistence?
4. Assuming the Shartse Khenpo did act on his own accord to approach Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche instead of doing so in carrying out the Dalai Lama’s instructions, then it does raise an interesting point. The Dalai Lama himself had made an exception to exempt Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche from the Shugden ban (Dalai Lama says Trijang Rinpoche can practise Dorje Shugden (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWi1fJkTA9Q#) ). And if the Dalai Lama had decided thus, who is the Khenpo to second-guess the Dalai Lama’s decision on this matter? Instead of respecting the Dalai Lama’s decision, the Khenpo, if indeed he acted on his own accord, presumed to know better and this is just pure and unadulterated arrogance.
5. The truth is, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche was forced to choose between continuing his devotion to Dorje Shugden (whom his predecessor Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche was famous for among other great achievements), or to remain on the good side of the Dalai Lama, which meant being able to remain in Ganden Shartse. Sources close to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche confirm that at the onset of the ban, the young Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche had asked if he could remain in the monastery should he choose to keep his Shugden practice. The answer was a resounding ‘No’.
6. As a young lama living in Ganden Shartse, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s life was threatened on a number of occasions for his refusal to abandon Dorje Shugden. Monks in Trijang Ladrang had to stand guard 24 hours a day to protect him. So serious were the death threats that some of the monks were quite certain that they would not have made it out alive if not for Dorje Shugden. The very monks who watched over Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche relayed accounts such as these and of how Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s life was placed under threat whilst in Ganden Shartse personally to DorjeShugden.com. Things have not changed since then and the ban is still in place. Dharamsala, and the world at large, is still a dangerous place for Shugden practitioners. After all, the CTA’s official decree effectively sanctioning the use of violence against Shugden practitioners is still in place!
Given that conditions have not changed and the CTA and Dalai Lama’s office have not reversed a terrible injustice, how can the Shartse Khenpo even hope that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche would return to India?
7. The Shartse Khenpo’s statement that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche “didn’t say yes or no” to his request is dishonest and mischievous and is designed to imply that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche may have considered his request. This would not be the first time Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche has encountered attempts to bribe him to abandon his protector practice. Many have tried, including the Dalai Lama who promised fame and position if Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche agreed to drop his practice of Dorje Shugden.
Ten years ago (2003), in a meeting with a young Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche in Graz, Austria, the Dalai Lama had told the young lama pointedly “If you give up this deity [Shugden], myself and all Tibetan people will appreciate it very much and our protector Nechung will take care of you and make you more successful and famous than ever. If you do not give up this deity, then your monastic career, like receiving the full monk’s ordination and taking Geshe examinations will not be possible. So I leave it to your judgement.” Then the Dalai Lama issued an ultimatum to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche in English: “YES or NO?” It was ‘No’ then and it is still ‘No’ now Khenpo-la. But then you knew that for sure.
8. But it was not enough for the Shartse Khenpo to mislead the people with falsities that he should also chose to insult the innocence and intelligence of many monks who suffered under the ban. The Shartse Khenpo said in his comments: “some people [monks] chose to abandon the monastery for personal interest and benefits…” Personally this is the unkindest and most sinister cut of all. The Shugden monks did not choose to leave. They were expelled! Any suggestion otherwise is an outright lie.
In this video [ see: Dalai Lama expels thousands of monks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wxUTbsKo-0#) the Dalai Lama went on record to say: “Recently monasteries have fearlessly expelled Shugden monks where needed. I [Dalai Lama] fully support their actions. I praise them. If monasteries find taking action hard, tell them the Dalai Lama is responsible for this…”
Shugden monks were thrown out of the only homes they knew after having renounced all worldly life. Many disrobed very simply because they could not remain as monks without support. Others, like the 450 monks from Dokhang Khangtsen, had no choice but to separate from Ganden Shartse and went on to found Shar Drokhang Draktsang (Shar Ganden) so that they can keep practicing the pure Ganden lineage, which includes the worship of Dorje Shugden. These monks endured tremendous hardships having lost their monastic homes, gurus, brothers, friends, and sponsors because of the heinous acts of the CTA, which was fully supported by the Dalai Lama’s office. The monks from Dokhang Khangtsen’s practice of Dorje Shugden was bestowed upon them by none other than Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche himself and therefore even before the Shartse Khenpo could think of suggesting to Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche to return to Ganden, the Khenpo should have invited and welcomed the return of the monks of Dokhang Khangtsen (now Shar Ganden) who were expelled, back to Ganden Shartse. The Khenpo after all is the Abbot of Ganden Shartse and is therefore authorized to effect such a reconciliatory move. But no such acts of sincerity ever took place.
The Shartse Khenpos’s statement is an affront to all things truthful and honest. It is an insult to the memory of Je Tsongkhapa himself. It shows the Shartse Khenpo’s true character.
9. On another point, the Shartse Khenpo seemed quite interested to have Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche attend the Dalai Lama’s upcoming teachings in Sera Monastery. Notwithstanding the Khenpos’s interest in the guest list of Sera Monastery, which is not under his scope of responsibility nor is it his affair, the Khenpo contradicts himself. On the one hand, he spent a significant sum of money travelling with an entourage to Vermont to request Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche’s attendance at the upcoming teachings, and presumably to reconcile with the Dalai Lama. But on the other hand, the Khenpo concluded that whether “some one returns or not won’t make any difference to the Dalai Lama”. This itself reeks of insincerity and deception on the Khenpo’s part and obscene recklessness on the Dalai Lama’s part. [See Note 1 below] And yet in the same breath, the Khenpo felt that it is “really important to revive the relationship between Kyabje Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche and His Holiness the Dalai Lama”.
It appears that if the Khenpo truly believes in the importance of closing the gap between the Dalai Lama and the present incarnation of the Dalai Lama’s guru, even though it matters not to the Dalai Lama whether Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche returns to India, then it should be the Dalai Lama that the Shartse Khenpo must work on, instead of flying at great costs of sponsors’ money to Vermont.
Surely, one way of securing the return of Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and indeed those of the many great Shugden lamas (who are the true treasures of Tibet), and repair the rift between the Dalai Lama and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche (and that of other gurus and disciples who were affected by the ban) is to convince the Dalai Lama to abolish the Shugden ban that has caused such tremendous damage to the delicate fabric of Tibetan secular and monastic community in exile. But this, the Khenpo has not even begun to do and yet he speaks of the importance of repairing relationships.
[Note 1: The great Trijang Rinpoche was a holder of Ganden Oral Lineage and whether directly or indirectly, Trijang Rinpoche is the guru to all Gelug lamas today. In the Lama Chopa itself, it is stated that:
“The Guru is Buddha
The Guru is Dharma
The Guru is also Sangha
The Guru is the source of all joys”
And unless faith and complete reliance as taught by the Buddha is no longer the root of the spiritual path and the heart of Tibetan Buddhism, then the presence of Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche does matter in no uncertain terms. Where would the legitimacy of the Gelugpa lineage’s be, if Trijang Rinpoche’s line, which is so central to the Gelugpas, were to be repudiated . It is shocking that the Shartse Khenpo would utter such thoughtless remarks. In fact, it is just downright dangerous].
10. The Shartse Khenpo recognizes that he is the “senior abbot of Ganden” and that he is the representative of Ganden Shartse but he failed to remember that Je Tsongkhapa formed the Gelugpa lineage in response to and in defense of monastic codes that were undergoing severe corruption at that time. Those codes had at their core, the upholding of the truth. Ganden Shartse was meant to be a fortress against the degeneration of monastic codes and therefore an Abbot of Ganden Shartse is supposed to be an example of the sangha that Je Tsongkhapa established, not the epitome of the degeneration that Tsongkhapa fought against. The many attempts to divert the course of the truth and the many distortions of facts in the Khenpo’s comments are all proof of this corruption.
The Shartse Khenpo’s comments are plagued with inconsistencies but then, this is very much the characteristic of statements built on the shaky foundation of lies and mistruths. In fact the entire range of reasons given for the Dorje Shugden ban is flawed with incongruities. What is most unfortunate is the impact the ban has had on the sangha. Apart from the heinous schism it has wreaked, the ban has also forced (and in the Khenpo’s case, perhaps even willingly) many monks to abandon their devotion to their gurus and protector, and defend lies that in turn create even more lies. Some uninformed readers may be taken in by this deception and wonder how can monks who are bound by vows even dare to lie? The Buddha did warn after all that the destruction of the Dharma would eventually come from within the sangha.
Still, the Khenpo’s haphazard response to his failed mission, flawed with endless discrepancies would indicate that the Khenpo was forced to issue a statement of denial that the Dalai Lama was involved in the doomed enterprise. That the Shartse Khenpo should attempt this feat on his own and without the sanction of the Dalai Lama, would make this one of the most ridiculous stories ever to be told of a senior monk. If it is true that the Khenpo acted on his own, he would be directly countering the Dalai Lama’s instruction that Shugden practitioners not be allowed to attend his teachings. How then can the Khenpo invite Trijang Rinpoche to the Dalai Lama’s teachings in Sera Mey? This is absolute insubordination and would surely call for immediate disciplinary action by the Dalai Lama. Clearly, there is a lot more to this story than the Khenpo has led on but without doubt, the whole truth shall be uncovered very soon.
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Well I dannae if you lot have been following the comments section closely, but it seems like thereve been some responses to the hypocritical comments. Of course the CTA would never publish these responses on their site, because woe be unto them if they were to acknowledge the fact dissenting views actually existed in their society
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From Rachel:
Khenpo-la,
Thank you for posting this comment. It is good to know that Khenpo-la is a regular reader of dorjeshugden.com… this post is so new and yet there is already a comprehensive response from you! If this website did not have credibility, or the ability to change people’s opinions, my guess is that Khenpo-la would not bother to respond.
Please allow me to share my thoughts on your comment.
1. I find it interesting that Khenpo-la mentions Trijang Rinpoche did not say yes or no to your request about changing his stance on Dorje Shugden. Why would Khenpo-la ask Trijang Rinpoche a question like that if Trijang Rinpoche is not practising? Why is the Dalai Lama’s teacher still practising? And since Trijang Rinpoche is practising, why visit a Shugden lama if they are negative and evil? I thought His Holiness’ advice was for all non-Shugden lamas to stay away from those who practise Shugden.
2. I mean no disrespect but if the Dalai Lama cannot persuade his own teacher to give up Shugden, why does Khenpo-la think he can change Trijang Rinpoche’s mind? Especially if Khenpo-la did not receive instructions from Kuger Yigtsang to make this trip?
3. Why did Khenpo-la feel it is necessary to use monastic resources to visit Trijang Rinpoche, although the Dalai Lama has told everyone to stay away from lamas who practise Shugden? It makes me wonder if perhaps Khenpo-la is courting favourable reviews from Kuger Yigtsang, by being seen to reach out to Trijang Rinpoche. I certainly do not hope this is the case.
I find the whole affair quite amusing because if Trijang Rinpoche does not want to practise Dorje Shugden anymore, he would have said so at your meeting. Then Khenpo-la would definitely report that Trijang Rinpoche has given up. Since there is no such report, therefore Trijang Rinpoche has not given up the practice which means Khenpo-la was not able to convince Trijang Rinpoche to give it up. So therefore, I am truly sorry to hear Khenpo-la did not have a successful trip to the USA. I hope Khenpo-la’s future use of monastic resources has a greater chance of coming to a successful outcome.
Kind regards.
Ahhh I saw this! Bet he did not reply anything to these questions!
What this girl asked is very logical and valid and yeah why on earth spend so much of the sangha money, wherever it is from either from Kuger Yigtsang or from Gaden, both is sangha money, to such a mission that's bound to be fail. Why is it bound to fail, well simple if Trijang Rinpoche is still practising Dorje Shugden, why would He suddenly "give it up" now because the "Kenpos" requested him to do so?
If he wanted to stop, Trijang Rinpoche would have stopped a long time ago, no? So obviously this was done out of some desperate measures and there is always some ulterior motive behind this. This Gaden Abbot is presently not very popular amongst his own peers and sangha in Gaden. He seems to be all about himself and very political indeed. To me it looks like the HHDL/CTA picked him to be Abbot so that they could easily control the monastery and well simple this Khenpo is their puppet and scapegoat.
If the trip was not funded by HHDL private office Yitsang and it was funded by Gaden, then what a waste of sangha resources which Gaden does not have much as I heard they are now very tight as the "Khenpo" has not really been doing his job well. He is not promoting or raising funds for Gaden as much as he is promoting himself! Sad for him because the Abbotship is only for a few years, after his term ends, he will have not many followers and also not many will respect him!
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Guess what guys... it's actually on the CTA's official website... [url]http://tibet.net/2013/11/11/abbot-of-gaden-shartses-clarification/[/url] ([url]http://tibet.net/2013/11/11/abbot-of-gaden-shartses-clarification/[/url])
The impression the Khenpo gave in his response to the article that appeared in DorjeShugden.com is that the trip was in his own personal capacity and was not at an official trip. It is therefore quite surprising that this is actually published in a the CTA's official website. It is amazing that a "government" website should be partial to publishing news that by the Khenpo's account, is a private matter between him and Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. To me it shows that the CTA is extremely sensitive to news regarding Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche and Dorje Shugden, and it does matter to the CTA what the public thinks of the Khenpo's visit to Trijang Rinpoche. In fact, we never hear of the CTA publishing news of other lama's travels and activities. Why this particular one?
By the CTA's publication of the Khenpo's news it is clear to me that Trijang Rinpoche is a big deal to the CTA/Kuger Yigtsang, quite unlike the notion that the Khenpo gave i.e. it did not matter if Trijang Rinpoche returned or not. That was a smokescreen which failed, much like the Khenpo's trip and just like the CTA/Kuger Yigtsang's attempt to secure the return of Trijang Rinpoche.
Personally I am quite certain that the Khenpo's trip and visit to Trijang Rinpoche was borne out of an official directive from the Dalai Lama but because of its low chances of success, the Tibetan leadership pre-emptively distanced themselves from it. Now, what would make the people with the most power within the exiled Tibetan community send a high-ranking monk on a failed mission to secure the return of Trijang Rinpoche? It shows 3 things: (i) Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche is growing in influence as is the power of the DS lamas, (ii) the CTA/Dalai Lama's power and positions are on shaky grounds, and unfortunately (iii) they didn't think very much of the Shartse Khenpo such that should he fail (which he did) it would be regarded as acceptable attrition.
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It shows 3 things: (i) Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche is growing in influence as is the power of the DS lamas, (ii) the CTA/Dalai Lama's power and positions are on shaky grounds, and unfortunately (iii) they didn't think very much of the Shartse Khenpo such that should he fail (which he did) it would be regarded as acceptable attrition.
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I find it weird that they sent the Shartse Khenpo to persuade Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche, which all of us know, will never be able to convince Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche to give up Dorje Shugden's practice because His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself has spoken to Chocktrul Rinpoche about this matters at least twice (that we know of) in the past.
Perhaps this is Kuger Yigtsang's desperate attempt to take a chance on this quest although it has the minutest chance of success. The high cost of travels and sending a very important (but not effective) person to persuade Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche can be seen as some sort of effort to either make His Holiness happy, or to show the Tibetans that they are doing something with regards to the ban which I think is futile. I personally do not believe that it is the Abbot's effort, for if it was, doesn't it seem like the Abbot is ingratiating himself with Kuger Yigtsang?
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The high cost of travels and sending a very important (but not effective) person [...]
Or rather, a person of diminutive importance, in a very important position (which he disgraces).
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One interesting point to note. Since Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche is the only one that the Dalai Lama allowed to practice the Protector, why has the Dalai Lama requested a Shugden Lineage holder to "receive back all teachings" from the Him? If the Khenpo is so young and unpopular, my questions would be, where has all the Lineage Masters gone? It seems to me if there are any Lineage Masters left who condone what the Dalai Lama is doing?
It seems to me that there is a total disintegration in Gaden Sharste. Is the fact the Dalai Lama trying to get HH Trijang Chocktrul Rinpoche to go back a last resort?? Interesting!
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HH Dalai Lama would have known in advance that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche would not have agreed to comply with his request to return to Sera Mey Monastery. Yet he still sent the two abbots to invite him back. So why did he send two people whom Trijang Rinpoche would most likely have rejected.
I am inclined to agree that the timing of sending these two abbots is significant. I believe that HH Dalai Lama had already expected a "No" answer from Trijang Rinpoche. The timing ,to me, is indicative of the fact that Dalai Lama is announcing to the world that Trijang Rinpoche is ready to step out into the limelight and be noticed. The time has come for Trijang Rinpoche to assume the role of a leader to spearhead the renaissance of Buddhism - Tibetan Buddhism.. This in turn signifies that the ban will be lifted soon. HH Dalai Lama may be appearing (deliberately) as a 'bumbling idiot'. This will pave the way, somehow, for him to fade out as an "irrelevant" leader .
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HH Dalai Lama would have known in advance that Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche would not have agreed to comply with his request to return to Sera Mey Monastery. Yet he still sent the two abbots to invite him back. So why did he send two people whom Trijang Rinpoche would most likely have rejected.
I am inclined to agree that the timing of sending these two abbots is significant. I believe that HH Dalai Lama had already expected a "No" answer from Trijang Rinpoche. The timing ,to me, is indicative of the fact that Dalai Lama is announcing to the world that Trijang Rinpoche is ready to step out into the limelight and be noticed. The time has come for Trijang Rinpoche to assume the role of a leader to spearhead the renaissance of Buddhism - Tibetan Buddhism.. This in turn signifies that the ban will be lifted soon. HH Dalai Lama may be appearing (deliberately) as a 'bumbling idiot'. This will pave the way, somehow, for him to fade out as an "irrelevant" leader .
This assumption of yours does sound pretty logical if we are to view the Dalai Lama as a Boddhisattva of Compassion. Indeed if not for the biggest act of compassion is to make everyone HATE you and prepare and pave the way for another?! In the most uncommon of human light and behaviour which we would rarely see but by can only be done by those who are beyond the common!
For the uncommon protector of our time to arise, an uncommon method is used? What all these great enlightened beings does is really beyond my comprehension at times. By all means, I pray and do hope so very much your assumption is right. In the end we shall see... I just wish it will be tomorrow. And every broken home, broken samaya, hearts will be free of this treacherous ban!
I guess it would not matter so much for those who care more about a piece of land and their nationality, dharma wasn't there for them in the first place.
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On a separate note, I'm wondering why HHDL is so adamant for HH Trijang to return to Gaden Monastery and Sera Mey Monastery? Why would HHDL want to reconnect with HH Trijang Rinpoche when HH knows that HH Trijang Rinpoche is a strong advocate of Dorje Shugden's practice? Wouldn't HHDL openly contradict himself?
It's very interesting how everything is unfolding itself. I feel that HHDL is so compassionate that HH would discredit himself for the sake of promoting Dorje Shugden in an unconventional manner. With due respect to HHDL, after HHDL is gone, the next "face" of Tibetan Buddhism will be HH Trijang Rinpoche. So perhaps, HHDL is now preparing for HH Trijang Rinpoche to take on this role.
I think Klein has made a valid point here. Instead of looking at this whole incident negatively, why not contemplate that HHDL has a legitimate agenda in inviting HH Trijang Rinpoche back to Gaden, even though HHDL knows that HHTR will reject his offer? There may be an underlining message that HHDL is indeed waning his stance on the ban and this is his way of paving the young HH Trijang Rinpoche's eventual take over as the future leader of the Tibetan people?
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We owe the Dalai Lama so much for all his works to spread buddhism. Whether the people or practitioners are on the Dorje Shugden Side or otherwise, we all benefitted from Dalai Lama's presence teachings and his role as a beacon for what Buddhism represents. He made 'Buddhism' cool.
The ban was merely a subterfuge for him to bring the Gaden tradition to known worldwide and bring Dorje Shugden into the mainstream. We must understand that monks who are trained to benefit all beings, who teach to thousands does not fumble or is not aware, he is absolutely aware of his actions to send the abbots.
We may not be able to see past our next lunch in terms of whats going to happen but these enlightened beings they can. They can see many years in the future and that is no small feat. Because their minds unobstructed and dwells in omniscience they can not only see the future but also see the finer details of what happens in that future too. Avalokiteshvara always works with Manjushri for the sake of all sentient beings.
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IF what Shartse Abbot claims is true that he went in his capacity as the senior monk of Gaden, then contemplate on this: The ban of Dorje Shugden practice was imposed by HHDL and CTA saw it through. How can Shartse Abbot over ride that and without the permission of CTA go straight to Trijang Rinpoche to ask him to return to Gaden to teach? Shartse Abbot was appointed by HHDL. Do you think Shartse Abbot would want to jeopardise his position to do so without getting the green light from higher authorities????? Talk to the monks in Gaden on how they feel about this current Abbot and you will understand what I am saying here.
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IF what Shartse Abbot claims is true that he went in his capacity as the senior monk of Gaden, then contemplate on this: The ban of Dorje Shugden practice was imposed by HHDL and CTA saw it through. How can Shartse Abbot over ride that and without the permission of CTA go straight to Trijang Rinpoche to ask him to return to Gaden to teach? Shartse Abbot was appointed by HHDL. Do you think Shartse Abbot would want to jeopardise his position to do so without getting the green light from higher authorities????? Talk to the monks in Gaden on how they feel about this current Abbot and you will understand what I am saying here.
Rihanna,
There is no way the Shartse Khenpo would dare or even bother to over ride the Dalai Lama's directives. If he did dare do the right thing, the Khenpo need not have gone all the way to the US to seek an audience with Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche. All the Abbot need do is to bring down the wall that separates Ganden Shartse and Shar Ganden. But he has not and so we see from this, that the Khenpo's "concerns" have nor culminated to much positive actions.
In any case, we have never heard much about the Khenpo of Shartse let along expect him to say something positive and constructive about the rift within the sangha due to the Shugden ban, or indeed the gap between Trijang Choktrul and the Dalai Lama - something he claims to care about. Not a word all these years.
So, no…don't expect any truth to come out of this pretender.
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It is clearly obvious Shartse Abbot wants to remain in the good books of HHDL and CTA. Quite certainly he is facing much pressure from them. At the same time Shartse Abbot needs to cover up the super-folly of inviting Trijang Rinpoche back to Gaden which caused him to fumble in his reply. His statement are all mumbo jumbo and made him utterly silly, unrespectable and undignified of a Shartse Abbot.
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Agreed with Icy. I always have high regards to Abbot of monasteries as they have done a lot to bring Dharma to many. However, I am reserved for Khenpo of Gaden Shartse especially there is so many illogical reasons given on his statements and his actions. High possibilities that he was pressured by the CTA and HH Dalai Lama.
In Kenpo-la’s reply, he mentioned that he requested HH Trijang to re-consider his stand on Shugden issue for various important reasons. HH Dalai Lama has openly made an exception for HH Trijang Rinpoche to practice Dorje Shugden. If he is asking HH Trijang Rinpoche to stop practicing Dorje Shugden, then isn’t him against the instruction of HH Dalai Lama?
Besides, Kenpo-la wants to revive relationship between HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH Dalai Lama. Both HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH Dalai Lama are high lama. I do not see why they will need Kenpo-la to revive their relationship except for the gap due to the ban. The first thing that Kenpo-la can do is to unit the Tibetan by uniting both Gaden Shartse and Shar Gaden, support to lift the ban as that is the main reason that HH Trijang Rinpoche is restricted to be back to Gaden as he is facing death threat when he is in Gaden! Kenpo-la must first create the conditions and causes for HH Trijang Rinpoche to be back to Gaden and not just invite without any sincerity.
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Just read about the recent article from Dorjeshugden.com on conclusion of the visits.
http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/shartses-abbot-sees-trijang-rinpoche-the-conclusion/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/features/shartses-abbot-sees-trijang-rinpoche-the-conclusion/)
It mentioned that “Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche had strongly requested for the Dalai Lama and CTA to focus on uniting the Tibetan people inside and outside Tibet. That the Dorje Shugden ban is creating factions amongst the Tibetans, and that such schism should be stopped immediately. The Abbot did not mention at all that Trijang Rinpoche was very direct and strong on this point about uniting the Tibetan people.”
Also, “During his meeting with the Shartse Abbot, Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche also added that if and when he visits India, he will ONLY visit Shar Ganden.”
Therefore, Kenpo-la should first unite the Tibetan by uniting both Gaden Shartse and Shar Gaden by lifting the ban and not suppressing Shudgen’s practitioners if his in sincere in his wish to close the gap between HH Trijang Rinpoche and HH Dalai Lama.
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For His faith in Dorje Shugden, HH Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche had refused to return to Ganden Sharste at the invitation of the Abbot.
How much a high Lama had to sacrifice in order to uphold the lineage of Dorje Shugden. Can us also do more.
The ban had been too long and has caused too much pain and suffering.
Interesting to read from this article how the anti Shugden lamas are trying to manipulate HH Trijang Choktrul Rinpoche.
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HH Trijang Rinpoche is a very respectful lama he has stand very strongly on his practice of DS this is a perfect example for us to follow his faith toward DS is unshakeable and his guru devotion is so firm that we lay practitioner should learn from and lastly his compassion toward others is so pure in any circumstances even though is difficult he never give up on them we should paid 100% respect to Trijang Rinpoche.