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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2011, 09:17:29 PM »
I recently re-read about Pabongka Rinpoche here on this website: The Dorje Shugden – Dalai Lama Conflict (PART 3: Dorje Shugden after the time of the 5th Dalai Lama), http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=1404 and thought about the relationship between the Tibetan government and Pabongka Rinpoche.

1. After internal political tensions in Lhasa came to a climax in 1751 with the execution of the secular leader Gyurme Namgyal ('gyur med rnam rgyal), The Chinese emperor Qianlong officially named the Dalai Lama the political and religious leader of Tibet. Rolpai Dorje's disciple and biographer Tukwan Lobzang Chokyi Nyima (thu'u bkwan 03 blo bzang chos kyi nyi ma, 1737-1802) asserts that this significant decision was largely due to Rolpai Dorje's advice.

2. In the “fulfillment/restoration” (kangso) ritual of Dorje Shugden, composed by Pabongka Rinpoche, one of the concluding verses impels him to fulfill the wishes of the Ganden Phodrang (Tibetan government) ,
"Whoever works for the reign and remporal power of the Ganden Palace [government], endowed with the eight sovereign powers, we enthrone you as the protector who grants easy accomplishments of whatever they wish and whatever peaceful or wrathful activities ..."


It was Pabongka Rinpoche's previous lives who helped Tibet to regain their governing power, and even the Dorje Shugden prayer he composed dedicates to the wishes of the Tibetan government.

Yet in return, the Tibetan government recognised him as the incarnation of an obscure monastery called Pabongka instead of his rightful title "Changkya" . This was because political relations with China was strained at one point and so the Tibetan government felt that giving the rightful recognition to the incarnation would resurrect further Chinese interference in Tibetan affairs.

In the late 70s,  Pabongka Rinpoche's name, together with names of other outstanding masters were removed from common (lineage) prayers and paintings because of the Dorje Shugden conflict.  

Why is it that such a "patriotic" master is seen as a threat to the government?

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2011, 04:21:52 AM »
I recently re-read about Pabongka Rinpoche here on this website: The Dorje Shugden – Dalai Lama Conflict (PART 3: Dorje Shugden after the time of the 5th Dalai Lama), http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=1404 and thought about the relationship between the Tibetan government and Pabongka Rinpoche.

1. After internal political tensions in Lhasa came to a climax in 1751 with the execution of the secular leader Gyurme Namgyal ('gyur med rnam rgyal), The Chinese emperor Qianlong officially named the Dalai Lama the political and religious leader of Tibet. Rolpai Dorje's disciple and biographer Tukwan Lobzang Chokyi Nyima (thu'u bkwan 03 blo bzang chos kyi nyi ma, 1737-1802) asserts that this significant decision was largely due to Rolpai Dorje's advice.

2. In the “fulfillment/restoration” (kangso) ritual of Dorje Shugden, composed by Pabongka Rinpoche, one of the concluding verses impels him to fulfill the wishes of the Ganden Phodrang (Tibetan government) ,
"Whoever works for the reign and remporal power of the Ganden Palace [government], endowed with the eight sovereign powers, we enthrone you as the protector who grants easy accomplishments of whatever they wish and whatever peaceful or wrathful activities ..."


It was Pabongka Rinpoche's previous lives who helped Tibet to regain their governing power, and even the Dorje Shugden prayer he composed dedicates to the wishes of the Tibetan government.

Yet in return, the Tibetan government recognised him as the incarnation of an obscure monastery called Pabongka instead of his rightful title "Changkya" . This was because political relations with China was strained at one point and so the Tibetan government felt that giving the rightful recognition to the incarnation would resurrect further Chinese interference in Tibetan affairs.

In the late 70s,  Pabongka Rinpoche's name, together with names of other outstanding masters were removed from common (lineage) prayers and paintings because of the Dorje Shugden conflict.  

Why is it that such a "patriotic" master is seen as a threat to the government?


Maybe its because the CTA feel that they should promote one lama as the figurehead/frontman for the Tibetan movement (which theyve done a good job of so far - people only associate 'Tibet' and 'Bhod rangzen' with His Holiness)... and Pabongka Rinpoches competition because he is very popular, so they dont want to support him and take support away from the Dalai Lama. The key is in what you said: "It was Pabongka Rinpoche's previous lives who helped Tibet to regain their governing power" - what if Pabongka Rinpoche helps to regain Tibet, and its not His Holiness? Anyway, the administration of the Dalai Lama have a history about being extremely thorough in their support of their leader...

For all the CTA bashing I do here, sometimes I can be a little harsh... in this case, perhaps their actions could honestly be well-intentioned (protect the Dalai Lama's image for the sake of Tibet) but just have the totally wrong effect, they all end up looking like backwards-thinking farmers.

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2011, 11:48:17 AM »
Buddhas are not bound by nationality, creed, they are Tibetans this life they can be Germans the next. I would term Pabongka Rinpoche as beneficial and not patriotic in this respect.

It was fortunate of me to have an audience with Pabongka Rinpoche, he did not speak much, but we as a group took picture together with him. Well If I wasn't such an ignoramus I would have known the author of the Lam Rim that i am studying was right in front of me then. Looking forward to hear more about Pabongka Rinpoche and his works in Chengdu, Sichuan.

OM BENZA WIKI BITTANNA SOHA!




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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2011, 12:03:03 PM »
I've heard that Pabongka Rinpoche spends his time mainly in China. A year ago, he has told his ladrang personnel in Nepal that he will not want to have any audience with anyone who will asked him about his practice is DS and etc. He just want to teach without being question on his personal practice. Also whenever Pabongka Rinpoche is in Nepal, the TGIE will often send spies to stand outside his Ladrang to monitor his movements and they will record who visit him.

Therefore, I'm very happy to hear news that Pabongka Rinpoche is in China.

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2011, 08:18:30 PM »
Thanks for sharing Shugdenpromoter, I too am happy to hear about Pabongka Rinpoche's activities in China, and I wish there were more news. 

May be it's not time yet for Rinpoche to make it public, but we can pray  :D I hope this ban lifts soon and Changkya Rinpoche aka Pabongka Rinpoche can continue his work to connect the Chinese to Buddhadharma, just like his previous lives  ;D

Also, about TGIE sending spies to stand outside Rinpoche's Ladrang in Nepal - perhaps the Ladrang staff should send the spies some Tibetan tea and tsampa,  ;D

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2011, 09:35:31 PM »
I just had a thought today.  If it is not about the Dorje Shugden issue, we might not even had a chance to hear a highly attained master name like Zong Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Pabongka Rinpoche if the practice that the monks do in monastery is considered sacred and higher tantric.  With HHDL so well known in the world, how Tibetan Buddhism spread is incredible.  And yet we heard so little about the reincarnated high Lamas who had accomplished such great noble work in their previous lives like Pabongka Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche, Trijang Rinpoche and Ling Rinpoche etc...

Now we know that their reincarnations are among us and they reside in different parts of the work and giving teachings to smaller group whereas others high lamas who "declare" to practice dorje Shugden openly is building chapels, monastery and making statues of protector all around the world.

We are so lucky to have a foundation of dharma reading from their work from previous lives, now they are living among us.  So when the time is right and when they are ready to "come out".  I think thousands of people would have the fortunate of hearing dharma from these precious masters.  Incredible!

How these high lamas are working hand in hand to benefit people.  Rather than just sit in listening to the Tibet government debating, being suppressed and argue about an issue that have already had a solution.  It is about benefiting people and not should not be whether a protector is an evil spirit or not.

Welcome back His Holiness Pabongka Rinpoche!

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2015, 02:00:10 PM »
It is rather sad that because of the Ban on Dorje Shugden great Lama incarnations of Trijang Rinpoche, Pabongka Rinpoche, Zong Rinpoche and Ling Rinpoche are not apparently in view to teach the greatness of Je Tsongkapa's doctrine.

The longer the Ban holds out, time is wasted for these great Lamas to propagate the Gelug tradition in 10 directions.

This is another suffering of great magnitude caused by the Ban that we may have overlooked.  What a shame, let the Ban be lifted NOW!!!!!

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2015, 03:50:32 AM »
Guess we must all not forget that Tibet was not the only region that faced the terrible violence back in the 1950's and 60's. People should not forget the cultural Revolution that was within China itself. There are also other tribes and regions that faced violence. Please do not view the Tibetan struggle wearing blinkers or filters. China is very big geographically and diverse ethnically.

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2015, 01:54:48 AM »
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Guess we must all not forget that Tibet was not the only region that faced the terrible violence back in the 1950's and 60's.

Actually many Buddhist countries have faced terrible violence from the West, and the violence back in the 1950's and 1960's is just a newer chapter following centuries-old, brutal British and French colonization victimizing millions of Buddhists.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent Buddhist civilians were victims of US nuclear terrorism in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Millions of Buddhist Koreans, Vietnamese, Cambodjans, and Laosians were exterminated by US carpet-bombing state terrorism. In South Korea, the survivors underwent mass conversion to the occupiers' Christianity.

Tibet, just as Myanmar and Sri Lanka, therefore, have been just other some more targets of this macabre, relentless, Western-promoted genocidal mass extermination, enslavement, and forced conversion of Buddhists.

In cahoots with Saudi Arabian sponsored, Islamic State terrorists, Christian, Jewish-controlled Western powers do their best to bring the chaos to Buddhist Myanmar and Sri Lanka, always with the approval of their puppet, the Muslim-born, evil dalie lame.

As Buddhists, we should therefore rejoice that Buddhism is now well protected from Western Abrahamic terrorism, extermination and forced conversions, and flourishes in countries such as North Korea and China, including Tibet.

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2015, 06:55:32 AM »
I cannot recall any period in the history of the world that the world was totally at peace. That is the nature of samsara. Certainly even now. That Buddhist were killed or persecuted is definitely a true statement but I do not recall a historic event that this is done with the aim of persecuting Buddhism except perhaps at the time of the Buddha himself.
My point is human commit atrocity base on their egos and "righteousness". The basis came be religion, race, geography and money. Buddhism and Hinduism are not at the top of the basis for these events. Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Nazism and Communism has been the basis of much more atrocities. Nazism of course is evil all by itself.

Hence, the current persecution of Dorje Shugden practitioners is a unique event.

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2015, 07:06:08 AM »
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I do not recall a historic event that this is done with the aim of persecuting Buddhism

Probably you missed, or was inattentive to, all of your classes about the last two millennia of Asian History.

Buddhists and Buddhism have been persecuted by Hindus in India since the 2nd century CE; by Zoroastrians in Persia in the 3rd century CE; by Manichaean Hephtalite Huns in Central Asia and Northwestern India in the 5th and 6th centuries CE; by different Chinese Emperors in China in the 6th, 9th, and 10th centuries CE; by king Landarma in Tibet in the 9th century CE; by British and French colonialists in Sri Lanka and Vietnam in the previous two centuries; by Chinese Muslim warlords such as Bai Chongxi and Ma Bufang, and by Communist Cultural Revolutionaries, in the last century; by Christians in South Korea nowadays under our nose; and, of course by Muslims in India, Central Asia and Indonesia, starting in the 12th century or before, who razed Mahabodhi, Nalanda, Vikramashila, Odantapuri, and almost every trace of Buddhist culture, society, and civilization in such countries and regions.

To put it mildly, yours is just an uninformed, irresponsible statement.

And as to the US nuclear and carpet bombings decimating millions of Buddhists and razing countless Buddhist shrines in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodjia, while not officially self-described as an attempt to exterminate Buddhism, worked precisely as such, which is hardly a coincidence, considering that such massacres and razing of Buddhist temples where the brainchildren of synagogue-going Jews such as Bernard Baruch, Henry Kissinger, and others.

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Nazism of course is evil all by itself.

The funny thing here is that every single evil element in “Nazism”, such as the belief in racial superiority and inherent land rights, find their roots in Judaism. Meanwhile, German National Socialists implemented many beneficial laws protecting workers, women, children, and animals, which belies widespread stereotypes spread by war hate propaganda.

Also atrocious Islamic State practices, such as gruesome death punishment by stoning and decapitation, massacring of women and children, taking young girls as sexual slaves, and so forth, find their roots not in Hitler's Mein Kampf, but in the Jewish Old Testament, the gruesome manual of terrorism also accepted and venerated by Christians and Muslims.

Therefore, one might want to get rid of propaganda and ask oneself what is “all evil by itself”.

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2015, 02:40:34 PM »
It is always good to have news of the high lamas of Tibetan Buddhism. So much, anguish and sorrow surrounding the ban. But, I guess divulging the whereabouts of the high lamas may be detrimental to their safety. The lay practitioners need to hear of and from the high lamas to help them keep faith and hope. Samsara is tough and the maras are pervasive. Not all are that strong to withstand the onslaught of the anti-shudeners and come out unscathed.

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2015, 08:09:09 AM »
I still have great hopes of hearing more activities of Je Pabongka, I would like to hear about Pabongka Rinpoche not only just because he is a lama who loyally stuck to Dorje Shugden and the practices. Je Pabongka had so much difficulties from the anti dorje shugden side taking away some of his sponsors who were from Taiwan, there is still hope for us to hear of Pabongka Rinpoche in his life time, I do know that there is still work to be done By Je Pabongka thats why despite so much difficulties Pabongka Rinpoche have not left for the pure lands.

He was the Gaden Oral Lineage holder previously and I am sure he can play the same role in the future again. Plus what a blessing it will be for the many people to hear the Lamrim as expounded by Je Pabongka. 

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2015, 10:39:43 AM »
Je Pabongka with Denma Gonsa Rinpoche. 

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Re: Where is Pabongka Tulku?
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2015, 03:54:16 PM »
I also hear that the current incarnation of Pabongka Rinpoche is now in China, and staying very low profile because of this Dorje Shugden issue. I have also read somewhere that in one of Pabongka Rinpoche's previous incarnations that He is being heavily suppressed by the administration and they only give Pabongka Rinpoche a smaller incarnation.

I am quite sure Pabongka Rinpoche is not the only one who is suppress by the administration due to political reasons. I pray we can leave the politics out of religion.