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Title: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: kris on October 15, 2014, 07:57:05 PM
There are indeed many proofs of discrimination within the Gaden, and they are everywhere! and yet CTA dares to deny such discrimination, by quoting that "Since the Dorje Shugden practitioners have travel document, they are not being discriminated". Well, this is a blatant lie!!

This is indeed a discrimination and violation of basic human rights of religion freedom. We must let the world know about this discrimination.

Thank you US vice consul to come to the monastery to witness the real situation.

http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/us-vice-consul-visits-shar-gaden/ (http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/us-vice-consul-visits-shar-gaden/)
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: Blueupali on October 15, 2014, 10:52:09 PM
I am really glad the vice-consul has come to visit a Shugden monastery so he can understand and help us end the discrimination.  It's a far cry from equal rights and tolerance and all the other feel good words the DL constantly endorses in words yet stabs everyone in the back in actions. 
  Everybody keep up the good work so we can help bring down this ban and also so the U.S. government won't be so fooled.... and also because it's good karma for U.S. government officials to get to imprint on Dorje Shugden lamas:).
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: dondrup on October 16, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
According to http://tibet.net/about-cta/constitution/ (http://tibet.net/about-cta/constitution/) Central Tibetan Administration (CTA) adopts a Charter that is based on the spirit of the United Nation Universal Declaration of Human Rights. This charter guarantees to all Tibetans equality before the law and enjoyment of rights and freedom without discrimination on the basis of sex, religion, race, language and social origin. 

In reality CTA had blatantly and continue to breach this charter if we look at how CTA had mistreated the Tibetan Dorje Shugden practitioners since the ban on Dorje Shugden was implemented. It is hoped that US Vice Counsel Mr. Daniel Deming will report his findings on the discrimination and human rights abuses to the relevant authorities for immediate actions to be taken.  Mr Daniel Deming could see for himself with his own eyes that the ban and the sufferings of the Tibetan Dorje Shugden practitioners are real! The ban had caused tremendous amount of harm and must be lifted immediately!
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: Ringo Starr on October 16, 2014, 01:33:11 PM

Article 10 of the Charter of the Tibetans-in-Exile (1991) on Religious Freedom
can be found here:

http://tibet.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Charter.pdf (http://tibet.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Charter.pdf)
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: DharmaSpace on October 16, 2014, 05:27:24 PM
It is very good that more and more people who are not directly related and affected by the Dorje Shugden issue are coming to see whats going on in South India and witness first hand what is happening in South India. Then such neutral observers can see for themselves the extent of the ban and discrimination that is due to the Dorje Shudgen issue. 

What has happened in the South India is reminiscent of the racial discrimination against the black people in the Southern States in the US. Difference is at least the people who discriminated did not conceal it and they admitted they discriminated against black people. With the CTA and the Tibetan people  they deny it, yet they uphold the ban and discriminate against their own people on a daily basis. 



 
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: rossoneri on October 16, 2014, 07:09:59 PM
Nice!!! Thank you Mr Deming for tang some time off of your bust schedule to make this possible as you already witness the truth and actually have the first hand experiencing the agony and the discrimination against Dorje Shugden practitioners. Although the CTA and H.H.T.D.L said there were no such things is happening among the Buddhist communities and there kept on denying there were once or it is still a life threaten situation here in South India, Mr. Deming now you have saw and heard all the proofs from the notice board and i believed the monks from this particular monastery have already told you most of the stories which is still creating an agony to all the Dorje Shugden practitioners. I hope Mr. Deming with this visit you can clearly understand on what is happening due to this ban on the practice which have been practicing not only the lay people but most of the High Lamas.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: pgdharma on October 17, 2014, 03:37:26 PM
This is good news to know that the US Vice Consul visited Shar Gaden and documented many evidences of the discrimination of DS practitioners.  Mr. Daniel Deming’s visit is just a spark that will ignite more foreign officials to visit Shar Gaden.  May the whole world know about this discrimination and the deception of the CTA.  Let the truth be known and the ban be lifted soon.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: Dolce Vita on October 17, 2014, 07:03:30 PM
I am so happy that the Consul took the time to go to Shar Gaden to investigate the case of discrimination towards Shugden practitioners in India. For a Government representative to respond to an issue, they must have done some thorough research and have a very strong ground to believe such thing is happening. With the Consul coming to visit and seeing the evidence in their own eyes, it will be very hard to argue that the discrimination does not exist. What Shugden practitioners want is to access to any public amenity like any other Tibetans. I hope this will happen very very soon. 
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: Kim Hyun Jae on October 18, 2014, 06:35:57 AM
Thank you Mr Daniel Deming for accepting the invitation to visit Shar Gaden and personally witness the evidence and proof on the ban against Dorje Shugden lamas, monastery and the practice. We hope your visit to Shar Gaden was an eye opener to you and pray that admonition will be enacted upon those "culprits" for this ban against Dorje Shugden and its practice to be lifted soon.


 
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: DharmaSpace on October 18, 2014, 10:24:58 PM
it is a government official of one of the most powerful democracies on Earth visiting South india to use all his fives senses to see observe and note down what is happening. Why so much news about this Dorje Shugden ban?

People from the European commission would be good too, they have a right to know why there is so much demonstrations against CTA and this unholy ban.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: lotus1 on October 19, 2014, 10:50:54 AM
Thank you US vice consul Mr Daniel Deming for taking time off from his busy schedule for this visit. He is able to witness with his own eyes and has the first hand information of how the monks and Shudgen practitioners are being discriminated and being abused on human rights.

I sincerely hope Mr Daniel Deming would be able to share with others and take actions to help to support the cause to lift the ban.

May the ban be lifted and there will be no sufferings and discrimination to the Shudgen practitioners.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: jamyang_sonam on October 19, 2014, 04:25:03 PM
CTA can lies all they want and create an illusion or smoke screen to the world that there is no discrimination happening in Dharamsala and there is no ban and persecution of Dorje Shugden practitioner among the Tibetan community in India.

With this visit by the US consulate, it clearly proof otherwise. Hopefully with this finding he will report it back it Human Rights and United Nation on the situation in South India, and with this there are thorough investigation and more people from UN or the Human Rights activist to report such cruelty and discrimination to the world to know.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: christine V on October 19, 2014, 05:37:15 PM
With the visit from Mr. Daniel Deming, the real story on the ban and discrimination would be open to the world.
Hope to see more consul / embassy visit to Shar Gaden and hope more media will watch on this discrimination.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: trinity on October 22, 2014, 05:12:50 AM
Awesome news, big thanks to the US Vice Consul Mr Daniel Deming visited Shar Gaden Monastery taking his time to help look into the Ban matter. Hence thanks to all the the lamas that contacted the American authorities in India, inviting them to witness for themselves the discrimination.

As seen in the pictures above, Mr Daniel Deming look and take pictures for all the sign that show the discrimination. Hopefully Mr Daniel Deming may help to acknowledge the team in charge and prevent CTA for no do this again. And i think the most proper is help to lifted the Illogical Ban.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: maricisun on October 23, 2014, 09:32:56 AM
It is just wonderful that the US Vice Consul visits Shar Garden and did some documentation on the discrimination of the Dorje Shugden practitioners and how they are being abused and sideline.
Its time something and someone do to lift the ban which has cause harm to all the practitioners.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: pinecone on October 26, 2014, 02:53:13 PM
A big thank you to US Vice Consul Mr Daniel Deming for taking initiative to visit Shar Gaden to investigate and did some filming on the discrimination of DS practitioners in India. From the visit , he will be able to witness and see with his own eyes  the DS monks in Shar Gaden actual situation, conditions  i.e  how the DS monks are being abused of their human rights!! I The truth will review itself !! May the whole world be able to know the truth and all accusation of CTA and cause the ban to be lifted.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: grandmapele on October 29, 2014, 01:10:57 PM
It is always good to have impartial party visit and observe the real facts from ground up. Now, let us hope the proper report gets filed and land in the right hands. Let the disparity be seen and the wrong righted. OM MANI PEDME HUM
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: bonfire on October 31, 2014, 02:35:01 PM
It is about time that "outsiders" stop thinking that the DS ban is an "internal affair".
The ban is a discrimination, it is a manipulation, it is unfair, unjust and creates segregation.
Anything that has such effect is not an "internal affair", it concerns the human society as a whole.
Title: Re: US Vice Consul visits Shar Gaden
Post by: WisdomBeing on November 01, 2014, 06:10:17 AM
It's great that the US Consul visited the monasteries and documented evidence that the ban is very real and discriminatory. However, i am not sure how much clout he has. I am sure the international community protested that the Dalai Lama was not allowed to go to South Africa, yet nobody was able to change their mind because of China's economic interests. So perhaps a Chinese-based political pressure would lift the ban?