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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2012, 03:37:37 PM »
Wait a minute, how can black magic harm the world most attained Lama such as Gaden Tripa?  How can black magic penetrate robes and vows?  In any logic of spiritualism this is not possible and definitely is bizzare.  Could it be the huge obstacle that the Gelukpas were to face and Gaden Tripa took upon himself to avert it that is related to the coming of the Dorje Shugden ban?   Having said that if Tashi had followed Gen Nyima's divination to perform DS pujas, and the Gaden Tripa recovers,  would not this be the most stablising effect it would have had on Dorje Shugden and perhaps prevented the on set of the ban.

No, I don't think this story is so much about Gaden Tripa needing pujas as it is about what the students need to do for their Lama, which of course is the Dorje Shugden puja. It is about creating the right merit and the most powerful connection they can at this time.

If the puja was performed it wouldn't have benefited just Gaden Tripa but the students also, first by them maintaining their samaya with a practice. Also, by making offerings to collect the merit they need to maintain their connection to their teacher. I hope that wasn't too confusing? A puja works on so many levels that it isn't just about benefit in one direction, one-dimensionally.

Perhaps the puja itself could have been for this assistant to overcome his own reputation and want for staying in favour with the authorities; to learn a lesson of humility for the sake of his teacher and all other students. It could be that just by this alone, he could have purified a lot of karma if he made the right decision and created a lot of merit for something else to arise, which would help his Lama and Dharma community. There are so many possibilities which we could probably not fathom or perceive on our level - which I guess is why it's all the more important to just follow the instructions of these divinations and have faith in their benefit... because not following would be so much more damaging.

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2012, 04:44:34 PM »
It's very sad to hear that Tashi didn't save his Guru because he wanted to be politically correct. I'm sure this is just one of many examples of how the ban on Dorje Shugden's practice created problems like this. Many people are confused and make bad decisions because of the ban.

Dorje Shugden's practice is so powerful that it was the only puja that could save His Holiness. We must all work hard to educate the world about Dorje Shugden so that cases like this do not happen.

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2012, 04:50:31 PM »
Gen Nyima is highly attained and his divination results should be accurate.  Why had Tashi not followed the divination instructions? Even if Tashi did not practise Dorje Shugden or he disliked Dorje Shugden, Tashi should put aside his personal issues and focused on serving his lama.  Tashi was so ignorant and selfish to not save his guru’s life even though he knew exactly how!  We are not talking about any guru but the 98th Ganden Tripa’s life!
 
Tashi was very fortunate to be able to serve the 98th Ganden Tripa.  However Tashi had lost that golden opportunity of a lifetime to continue serve his guru! He had caused the death of a high lama who could have benefitted many others before his death.  Such heavy negative karma Tashi had created for himself! Om Mani Padme Hum!

Because of the ban on Dorje Shugden, we have lost the 98th Ganden Tripa!  How very unfortunate! The ban on Dorje Shugden must be lifted quickly before more casualties arise! 

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2012, 05:32:34 PM »
It's a classic example when a student doesn't have a strong guru samaya which leads to the death of his guru, in this case the death of the 98th Ganden Tripa. Such a heavy negative karma which Tashi had created for himself. Why is he being so selfish? He chose his personal view over his lama life based on what he felt what's is right or wrong. How can someone treated his own guru this way? Sad very sad...

As for Gen Nyima, he show us one does not have to have high ranking in a monestery in order to achieve attainment. But with pure practice, right motivations, focus and hard work we'll for sure able to be attained. Such an inspiring individual in the world of Buddhism.

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2012, 10:02:53 AM »
I like how the story was told in the article. It started off with the illness of His Holiness the 98th Ganden Tripa, and along with it, his title, fame, popularity and recognition of being a great lama, and representation of the incomparable Lama Tsongkhapa on Earth. Then it proceeds to talking about Gen Nyima, a humble, holy and highly attained monk, who wanted to practice and gain attainments in solidarity. And although his only wish was that, when people approached him for help and advise, he would do all he can to help. Such compassion. 

So then you see how 2 compassionate lamas are brought and tied in together. One manifesting illness to teach others, the other teaching others through humility. Amazing. And how DS is introduced, as being the only one that can save H.H. Shows how powerful Dorje Shugden is, as Gen Nyima has not practised DS all his life, nor is he interested in doing any other pujas but perfecting Yamantaka's practises, but through divination results, recommended 3 days of DS Puja to save the life of H.H. There is nothing that Gen Nyima can gain in "promoting" DS this way - so this only proves how efficacious DS is in today's society.

Now with Tashi, the teaching from this story goes to show that even as a sangha member, he cannot really let go of confining with society's ideals. For him, choosing face was more important than his guru. No doubt he will reap the terrifying consequences of his actions, but it shows that if it is this hard for even a sangha member, who has taken on vows, to practice renouncing the 8 wordly concerns, then it is much more difficult for one still in samsara, to practise the same. That being said, it doesn't mean it is impossible. It is sad that Tashi did what he did..  literally, his guru died in his hands.

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 07:26:38 PM »
Thanks for sharing.

It's seems doesn't make sense because how come the Tsongkhapa on earth, the Lord of Gelug can be harm by some black magic. How come some demon can harm a Buddha? But bear in mind, the lama life is within the students hand.

Tashi, a very clear example of a student that allowed the demon to take his lama life away. The reason for a lama to remain on earth is to spread the Dharma, but if we the students doesn't create the cause or have/create the merit for our lama to fulfill his "duty" in a common body, they will decided to leave us earlier.

Gen Nyima a wonderful shangha, who show his realization on Dharma through his body, speech and mind. Some of the monk study because of the title, so they can benefit a lot others by their name, some will remain quiet just like Gen Nyima. Both type of monk are using different methods to spread the Dharma.

I can't imagine how much negative Karma that Tashi collected !! Firstly, He didn't served "Tsongkhapa" well, when "Yamantaka" is giving advises to heal "Tsongkhapa" illness by performing a Dorje Shugden puja, he refused and keep quiet. Basically he rejected all animation of Manjushri. It's ok if he doesn't believe in Dorje Shugden, buy why called yourself a Gelug monk while you kill Tsongkhapa indirectly by refused to accept a come back to life method prescribed Yamantaka, yet he still dare to wear the robes that created by Tsongkhapa.

In many text of Yamantaka had mentioned, Yamantaka practice is very beneficial to deal with black magic or evil spirit. If Gen Nyima, who is as one as Yamantaka mentioned DS togyal is the only way to save HH Gaden Tripa's life, why still have doubts ?  Why would Yamantaka kill or harm Tsongkhapa ?

The ban is really created so much troubles in the monastery. A monk can do something that against their vows, or bring Tsongkhapa lineage down and it's fine. A monk that used his life to benefit all sentient beings was killed by his own student and it's fine too. So what Dharma are we learning ? What mantra are we chanting ? What Buddha are we praying? CTA, you better stop all your doing before all the bad karma come back to you.

HH Dalai Lama is Chenrezig, HH have the wisdom to do something which doesn't seem logic for now, but eventually it will beneficial later. CTA, please don't think all of you are Chenrezig too, you will not want to know what will happen to you when Karma is coming back to you.

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2012, 05:18:54 AM »
Oh my Goodness! How can this be? How can someone choose their ego and pride over their Guru? Not to mention the Gaden Tripa! Who does Tashi thinks he is and who gave him the rights to decide the course of His Guru's life! Clearly the karma of Tashi's schism and broken samaya has made him go further away and causing more harm than good.
Why believe in Gen Nyima as Yamantaka, ask for divination then go the opposite of the divination results?
WHY ask for a divination if you are not going to follow thru? For the fun of it? I am very sad and unhappy to read this post. May all who go against Lord Dorje Shugden now, realize the TRUTH and ask for forgiveness from Him when the ban is lifted!

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2012, 10:25:32 AM »
Thank you for sharing the article with us and have the info available online.

I was pretty amazed that the Dorje Shugden puja can be that powerful.

How can Tashi just allow is guru to die. He saves his face but he broke his vow. If he tells his guru then if his guru says that he will not do it then is a different case but he didn’t even inform. That is really bad.

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Re: How Gen Nyima tried to save H.H. Gaden Tripa
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2013, 10:55:14 AM »
Wait a minute, how can black magic harm the world most attained Lama such as Gaden Tripa?  How can black magic penetrate robes and vows?  In any logic of spiritualism this is not possible and definitely is bizzare.  Could it be the huge obstacle that the Gelukpas were to face and Gaden Tripa took upon himself to avert it that is related to the coming of the Dorje Shugden ban?   Having said that if Tashi had followed Gen Nyima's divination to perform DS pujas, and the Gaden Tripa recovers,  would not this be the most stablising effect it would have had on Dorje Shugden and perhaps prevented the on set of the ban.

Although holding one's vows can protect one from black magic, in the case of lamas with a lot of errant students, sometimes the lama would manifest illness or an unfortunate incident in where the Lama would pass away into clear light. In this case it is especially unfortunate that the disciple of the Ganden Tripa would allow his Guru to pass away in such a way just because he does not like Dorje Shugden. How could personal preference be more important than the Guru? Since someone's dislike against Dorje Shugden is placed above the Guru, the Guru has no choice but to manifest clear light.