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Robert Thomas

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Knowledge from past lives
« on: October 28, 2010, 08:25:12 PM »
My wife just watched a tv show about this amazingly gifted 8 year old painter.

Simplest explanation of such gifts is surely past lives:

http://www.kieronwilliamson.com/

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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2010, 08:20:58 AM »
Your wife may appreciate art by Akiane also. Akiane is one of my favorite artist..


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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2010, 08:25:13 AM »
It is much easier to believe there are past lives than having only one lifetime.
We experience proofs on a daily basis to recognize this truth...

If we have past lives, and this current life, then we surely must have future lives...

May Dorje Shugden protect us in this life and all future lives until we achieve bodhicitta.

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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2010, 03:45:16 PM »
One day I heard a Lama say this to a western audience:

"Most of you are demanding that past and future lives be proven.
Think that in other parts/cultures of the world, other people are challenging YOU to come up with proofs that they do not exist."

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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2010, 05:27:18 PM »
Imprints from past lives of people are not just seen in the buddhist world, as a matter of fact, it is even seen in Western culture and many others, whereby the belief of reincarnation is not in their religion.

It is becasue nothing is permanent, that we can eradicate any selfish thoughts by practicing the dharma, and it is because of imprints, that we can continue to improve our mind to achieve bodhichitta (wisdom and compassion).


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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2010, 02:17:56 AM »
Buddhism provides a logical explanation to the astounding  “special gifts/talents” that some young children have. It is on this same basis that tulkus are recognized.

However, this special knowledge/attainment must be recognized and nurtured preferably at young age while the imprints are still strong. It is said that if tulkus are not given the conducive condition to further develop their attainments , some may suffer from the “tulku disease”. I read about this in the biography of Chokyam Trumpa, a Kagyu high Lama.

The main differences between a tulku and a prodigy are :
1)   The former can control his rebirth as a result of spiritual training while the later is subject to the winds of his karma
2)   The above is due to the former’s motivation in existence is not self based while the later still 100%  self centred
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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2010, 04:21:28 PM »


However, this special knowledge/attainment must be recognized and nurtured preferably at young age while the imprints are still strong. It is said that if tulkus are not given the conducive condition to further develop their attainments , some may suffer from the “tulku decease”. I read about this in the biography of Chokyam Trumpa, a Kagyu high Lama.



Dear Kurava,

Can you elaborate a bit more what is "Tulku decease"?  A tulku is already fully attained, why would they still need to be further developed?

Thank you

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 04:53:01 AM »
I read about "tulku disease" from the book, "Dragon Thunder: My Life with Chogyam Trungpa" by Diana J. Mukpo.

On page 138 : The Tibetans believe that if a Tulku is not recognized, enthroned and properly educated, he will develop mental illness, a kind of "tulku's disease" because he is not fulfilling the role that is intended for him....

I would assume that some tulkus may not be fully enlightened yet,they are highly attained bodhisattvas. If the tulku's attainments from previous lives are not further developed or given the proper training in the current lifetime, their attainments may degenerate or even suffer from the tulku's disease.

Anyone else have something to share on this?

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 06:54:48 AM »
Dear Kurava,

I have not read about "tulku disease" before, but it makes total sense to me now that you have explained it to us.

I can imagine the same would apply to every individual.

We are all bestowed with unique and different talents or gifts - whether we are highly attained Lamas or Tulkus or not. Every single person is good at something.

So, if an individual had not received the right help, education, nurturing and training as a child - then this individual may not blossom into his or her fullest potential. Hence, he or she will not realise who he or she is meant to be and can be.

In life, we may not always get so lucky and meet with the 'right conditions' to cultivate our best into its full bloom. Hence, we do lose out so much in the end.

If we all had only receive the 'right' help and training from the very start, imagine how far we each can go and what we can accomplish in one lifetime.

For some, even if they had the golden opportunity to meet with the 'right conditions', they may not have the merits to stay with it and persevere through the end.

Knowledge from past lives do exist. It explains our natural preferences for things and people, even as a child who has not been exposed to any outside environment as yet.

Our past imprints do leave a strong trace within us all. It is up to us how we will use it - be it for the betterment of ourselves or for the worse.

 
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 02:54:07 PM »
I read about "tulku disease" from the book, "Dragon Thunder: My Life with Chogyam Trungpa" by Diana J. Mukpo.

On page 138 : The Tibetans believe that if a Tulku is not recognized, enthroned and properly educated, he will develop mental illness, a kind of "tulku's disease" because he is not fulfilling the role that is intended for him....

I would assume that some tulkus may not be fully enlightened yet,they are highly attained bodhisattvas. If the tulku's attainments from previous lives are not further developed or given the proper training in the current lifetime, their attainments may degenerate or even suffer from the tulku's disease.

Anyone else have something to share on this?



What I heard of is when a tulku cannot fulfill his role, he may opt to cut short his life and enter clear light earlier.

I wonder if there are any living examples of "Tulku diseases" now?

Anyone has anything to share?

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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2010, 06:48:33 PM »
I read about "tulku disease" from the book, "Dragon Thunder: My Life with Chogyam Trungpa" by Diana J. Mukpo.

On page 138 : The Tibetans believe that if a Tulku is not recognized, enthroned and properly educated, he will develop mental illness, a kind of "tulku's disease" because he is not fulfilling the role that is intended for him....

I would assume that some tulkus may not be fully enlightened yet,they are highly attained bodhisattvas. If the tulku's attainments from previous lives are not further developed or given the proper training in the current lifetime, their attainments may degenerate or even suffer from the tulku's disease.

Anyone else have something to share on this?



What I heard of is when a tulku cannot fulfill his role, he may opt to cut short his life and enter clear light earlier.

I wonder if there are any living examples of "Tulku diseases" now?

Anyone has anything to share?

Steven segal ?  :D

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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2010, 10:44:09 PM »
Thank you Robert Thomas for sharing the link. Lord Buddha's remembrance of thousands of past lives during the first watch of the night he achieved omnipotent enlightenment gave rise to a vast body of Buddhist literature, in many versions, called the Jatakas or Tales of the Buddha's Past Lives. I guess for those who is not a believer, then we have to rely on the field of science/ psychiatry/psychology for answers.

I have watched a documentary that involves Brian Weiss, M.D., an American psychiatrist whose research includes reincarnation and past life regression.

Weiss was not a believer in reincarnation but, after confirming elements of a patient's past-life stories through research into public records, came to be convinced of the survival of an element of the human personality after death. Since 1980, Weiss claims he has regressed more than 4,000 patients. He is a frequent guest on national television and radio talk shows, including: Oprah, Coast to Coast AM, Larry King Live etc and has 7 books on the subject of reincarnation.

There are many critics of past life regression, but it is not something that is made up. Past life regression is mentioned in the old cultures, such as in the Upanishads of ancient India, and Three Lives Book, which Chinese numerologists use the Buddhist/Taoist text the to describe details of past lives.

Also, although Christianity doesn't preach reincarnation, but I've read before some scriptural excerpts that are proof that reincarnation is accepted (although not popularised)  - read Scriptural support for reincarnation at http://reluctant-messenger.com/origen3.html.

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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2010, 04:14:28 PM »

I have watched a documentary that involves Brian Weiss, M.D., an American psychiatrist whose research includes reincarnation and past life regression.

Weiss was not a believer in reincarnation but, after confirming elements of a patient's past-life stories through research into public records, came to be convinced of the survival of an element of the human personality after death. Since 1980, Weiss claims he has regressed more than 4,000 patients. He is a frequent guest on national television and radio talk shows, including: Oprah, Coast to Coast AM, Larry King Live etc and has 7 books on the subject of reincarnation.



I have read Dr Brian Weiss's book "Many lives, many masters". Infact this was the first book he published after being convinced on the concept of "life after death". What prompted him to have the urge to write this book was the astonishing records of one of his patients who came to seek help from him , and who under hypnosis, revealed her past lives experience in circumstances that could not be a made-up account. And the people she met and knew in her past lives' account were the ones whom she knows at present, one of which including Dr Weiss himself.

He and his wife had documented and recorded all the hypnosis sessions and only after a few years later that he decided to publish his findings. He himself was originally a non-believer of reincarnation and as he claimed, he did not believe in anything that is superstitious.

Once again, another strong proof of reincarnation.





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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2010, 06:57:02 PM »
Re the tulku disease mentioned earlier, i haven't heard of this at all so I think it's fascinating. I mean how do you prove that someone has tulku disease if someone isn't recognised as a tulku to start with and hence does not go through the monastic education system, enthronement etc.

I have read somewhere before that tulkus can decide to shorten their lives if they feel that they are not able to fulfil their role as a Dharma teacher or practitioner. I'm just curious though why they choose to enter clear light and start all over again rather than move geographically to another location where they can practice or teach to a more conducive crowd?
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Re: Knowledge from past lives
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2010, 03:30:36 PM »
I'm just curious though why they choose to enter clear light and start all over again rather than move geographically to another location where they can practice or teach to a more conducive crowd?

I think perhaps it is not as simple as just moving to another place, as there is merit/karma involved on the part of the students - perhaps the people that he is supposed to teach at that time run out of merit, or do not do what they are supposed to do. Other people in other parts of the world may not have the merit yet or their karma may not have opened yet for them to receive his teachings. So perhaps by taking rebirth again, some other causes are created for him to come across the right group, whose merit may be ready at the time.

These is just my thoughts... I guess the Lamas have much bigger plans for us that we often cannot fathom! :D

There are also some Lamas who (on outward appearances) "choose" to go away from the path (which I think is different from the tulku disease). A famous example of the 6th Dalai Lama who seemed to live a life that was not at all what is expected of a high Lama / monastic, but when he died, they uncovered many writings of his which indicated his very high attainments. Lama Osel, in this incarnation, also seems to have cut short his monastic training and given back his robes to take on a lay life. I cannot explain this - there must be numerous reasons for this of course which we cannot overtly grasp yet.

One theory I have heard about why some Lamas "go away" from the path (or so it seems) is that their students have created a break in samaya and therefore create the cause for themselves to be away from their Lamas and not receive the teachings.