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	<title>Comments on: The Tibetan leadership must declare which Karmapa is real and which one is fake</title>
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		<title>By: Tenzin K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tenzin K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2019 07:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not important which is real and fake anymore. The latest news on both Karmapas jointly composed the prayer for the young Sharmapa good enough to show us that both are attained and instead of fighting which is the real one, both Karmapas work together benefits people. This is real spiritual through action. 

It&#039;s better for CTA to stop all the schism to split the lineage. It&#039;s enough damages created for the Tibetan by CTA. CTA really look like sabotaging the unity of Tibetan and all the things they did is just weaken the Tibetan and create disharmony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not important which is real and fake anymore. The latest news on both Karmapas jointly composed the prayer for the young Sharmapa good enough to show us that both are attained and instead of fighting which is the real one, both Karmapas work together benefits people. This is real spiritual through action. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s better for CTA to stop all the schism to split the lineage. It&#8217;s enough damages created for the Tibetan by CTA. CTA really look like sabotaging the unity of Tibetan and all the things they did is just weaken the Tibetan and create disharmony.</p>
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		<title>By: Tara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2019 04:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CTA will not do anything because they just want to stir the heat and separate the lineage. Looking at the latest event where both Karmapas together composed a prayer for the young Sharmapa, this good enough to show that the Karmapa does not need the CTA to be involved in any of the spiritual matters. CTA had created enough problems on the spiritual ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CTA will not do anything because they just want to stir the heat and separate the lineage. Looking at the latest event where both Karmapas together composed a prayer for the young Sharmapa, this good enough to show that the Karmapa does not need the CTA to be involved in any of the spiritual matters. CTA had created enough problems on the spiritual ground.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2019 06:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the latest news that the 2 Karmapas met up and together composed prayers for the young Sharmapa has shown that both of them are real. They choose to together instead of fighting who is the real one. 

Both of the Karmapas show to their practitioners and the world that the status has no effect for them to benefit others. This is a good example that shows to their practitioners that real Buddhist practice is not to emphasize differences but to work on their common value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the latest news that the 2 Karmapas met up and together composed prayers for the young Sharmapa has shown that both of them are real. They choose to together instead of fighting who is the real one. </p>
<p>Both of the Karmapas show to their practitioners and the world that the status has no effect for them to benefit others. This is a good example that shows to their practitioners that real Buddhist practice is not to emphasize differences but to work on their common value.</p>
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		<title>By: Dechen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dechen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2019 06:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CTA wants to recognise their own Dalai Lama. They claim the Dalai Lama recognised by the Chinese government will be a fake one because the Chinese government does not follow the recognition procedure. This is very hypocritical, didn&#039;t the CTA kind of recognised their own Karmapa which is against the recognition procedure? 

By tradition, the reincarnation of Karmapa does not need the endorsement from the Dalai Lama who is the lama of another lineage or the endorsement from the CTA. Why did the CTA meddle in the recognition process of the 17th Karmapa?

The CTA always has a double standard. They are lenient to themselves but when others do the same, they are not happy. How trustworthy is the CTA if they are being so unfair.

The way the Dalai Lama or the Panchen Lama is recognised is according to the tradition. The Chinese government has not done anything different since the recognition process was laid out by the Qing emperor. Thus, the Dalai Lama that is going to be recognised by the Chinese government will be the legitimate one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CTA wants to recognise their own Dalai Lama. They claim the Dalai Lama recognised by the Chinese government will be a fake one because the Chinese government does not follow the recognition procedure. This is very hypocritical, didn&#8217;t the CTA kind of recognised their own Karmapa which is against the recognition procedure? </p>
<p>By tradition, the reincarnation of Karmapa does not need the endorsement from the Dalai Lama who is the lama of another lineage or the endorsement from the CTA. Why did the CTA meddle in the recognition process of the 17th Karmapa?</p>
<p>The CTA always has a double standard. They are lenient to themselves but when others do the same, they are not happy. How trustworthy is the CTA if they are being so unfair.</p>
<p>The way the Dalai Lama or the Panchen Lama is recognised is according to the tradition. The Chinese government has not done anything different since the recognition process was laid out by the Qing emperor. Thus, the Dalai Lama that is going to be recognised by the Chinese government will be the legitimate one.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2019 07:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CTA claimed they are the guardian of Tibetan Buddhism and that Buddhism is their culture. This may be true because Tibetan Buddhism is very popular and common in Tibet. But not many of them are practising Buddhists.

No practising Buddhists will make another person suffer or hurt another person. But look at the Dorje Shugden ban, it has hurt many people and split many families and friends. Some were forced to leave their community and live in isolation from Tibetans.

CTA has not brought any good to the Tibetans but made people&#039;s life difficult. They don&#039;t have the intention to bring Tibetans back to Tibet. They are just using the Tibetan plight to make money for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CTA claimed they are the guardian of Tibetan Buddhism and that Buddhism is their culture. This may be true because Tibetan Buddhism is very popular and common in Tibet. But not many of them are practising Buddhists.</p>
<p>No practising Buddhists will make another person suffer or hurt another person. But look at the Dorje Shugden ban, it has hurt many people and split many families and friends. Some were forced to leave their community and live in isolation from Tibetans.</p>
<p>CTA has not brought any good to the Tibetans but made people&#8217;s life difficult. They don&#8217;t have the intention to bring Tibetans back to Tibet. They are just using the Tibetan plight to make money for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2019 06:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The meeting of the 2 Karmapas signifies the beginning of the peace for the Karma Kagyu sect. Since the recognition of 2 Karmapas, the sect has been in chaos and split into 2 sides. CTA purposely created the situation and divide the power by forcefully recognising Karmapa Ogyen Trinley using His Holiness&#039;s fame and influence.

This has not been the case for hundreds of years where no lama from another sect recognises the head of Karma Kagyu sect. Sharmar Rinpoche has been the lama who is recognising the Karmapa lifetime after lifetime without a problem. Karmapa Thaye Dorje was recognised by Sharmar Rinpoche and CTA rejected that candidate and supported their own candidate instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The meeting of the 2 Karmapas signifies the beginning of the peace for the Karma Kagyu sect. Since the recognition of 2 Karmapas, the sect has been in chaos and split into 2 sides. CTA purposely created the situation and divide the power by forcefully recognising Karmapa Ogyen Trinley using His Holiness&#8217;s fame and influence.</p>
<p>This has not been the case for hundreds of years where no lama from another sect recognises the head of Karma Kagyu sect. Sharmar Rinpoche has been the lama who is recognising the Karmapa lifetime after lifetime without a problem. Karmapa Thaye Dorje was recognised by Sharmar Rinpoche and CTA rejected that candidate and supported their own candidate instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Sep 2019 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think not only you or the Kagyupas, everyone is very curious about the future of the Kagyu lineage. It was shocking news when the two Karmapas announced their meeting. Nobody was expecting that.

Their meeting also shows how unreliable CTA is because for many years, CTA did not try to help to reconcile the issue within the Karma Kagyu lineage. I think the main reason is because the CTA wants to use the Indian Karmapa to control the Tibetan community after the Dalai Lama is not around anymore.

The Indian Karmapa knew the dirty trick of the CTA, so he ran away and became the citizen of the Republic of Dominican. He had complained about being used and controlled by the CTA before. This is how CTA is making use of high lama for their personal interest. It is sad but this is what is happening.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think not only you or the Kagyupas, everyone is very curious about the future of the Kagyu lineage. It was shocking news when the two Karmapas announced their meeting. Nobody was expecting that.</p>
<p>Their meeting also shows how unreliable CTA is because for many years, CTA did not try to help to reconcile the issue within the Karma Kagyu lineage. I think the main reason is because the CTA wants to use the Indian Karmapa to control the Tibetan community after the Dalai Lama is not around anymore.</p>
<p>The Indian Karmapa knew the dirty trick of the CTA, so he ran away and became the citizen of the Republic of Dominican. He had complained about being used and controlled by the CTA before. This is how CTA is making use of high lama for their personal interest. It is sad but this is what is happening.<br />
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		<title>By: S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 08:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really curious, after the 2 Karmapas met up, what was the outcome? What did they achieve? How come there is no announcement. I think many Karmapas are also very concerned. Who is the real Karmapa?

Perhaps both of them are the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa. Like what the Dalai Lama mentioned before, it is possible for a high lama to have multiple emanations when they take rebirth. But there can only be one throne holder. Who will be the one?

I think both Karmapas came back to Samsara with one goal, i.e. to spread Dharma and make sure the lineage is not broken. That is why they met up. If both are power or fame hunger, they would have claimed they are the legitimate one while the other is not. The CTA is not going to help to resolve this issue. If Tibetan community wants to move on, they cannot rely on CTA at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really curious, after the 2 Karmapas met up, what was the outcome? What did they achieve? How come there is no announcement. I think many Karmapas are also very concerned. Who is the real Karmapa?</p>
<p>Perhaps both of them are the reincarnation of the 16th Karmapa. Like what the Dalai Lama mentioned before, it is possible for a high lama to have multiple emanations when they take rebirth. But there can only be one throne holder. Who will be the one?</p>
<p>I think both Karmapas came back to Samsara with one goal, i.e. to spread Dharma and make sure the lineage is not broken. That is why they met up. If both are power or fame hunger, they would have claimed they are the legitimate one while the other is not. The CTA is not going to help to resolve this issue. If Tibetan community wants to move on, they cannot rely on CTA at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorje S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorje S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2019 08:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed that it has been months since any major news coming out from any of the Karmapas since they last came out with a joint statement. Karmapa Thaye Dorje published a message on his website for India’s 73rd Independence Day, whereas Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has been quiet for months, there&#039;s not even an update on his website since early this year. He just updated his FB with a very short wish for India’s 73rd Independence Day. Perhaps the karmapas have come out with their conclusion as to who will continue to be the Karmapa and who will gradually leave the stage. Seems like they do not want to wait for the CTA to interfere with Karma Kagyu internal affair anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed that it has been months since any major news coming out from any of the Karmapas since they last came out with a joint statement. Karmapa Thaye Dorje published a message on his website for India’s 73rd Independence Day, whereas Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has been quiet for months, there&#8217;s not even an update on his website since early this year. He just updated his FB with a very short wish for India’s 73rd Independence Day. Perhaps the karmapas have come out with their conclusion as to who will continue to be the Karmapa and who will gradually leave the stage. Seems like they do not want to wait for the CTA to interfere with Karma Kagyu internal affair anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Drolma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drolma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is Karmapa Ogyen Trinley now and what is he doing? The other Karmapa went to Europe with the family and he brought his baby son along. It was almost like bringing the baby Sharmapa to meet all their followers. We can see that all the students hold the baby very dear.

This is an indication that the baby is not an ordinary baby. It is highly possible he is the reincarnation of Sharmapa. The Dharma work of the &#039;white&#039; Karmapa seems to be growing and he is getting more exposure. But the &#039;Indian&#039; Karmapa is so quiet. Not much news about him.

Everyone is very curious about the future of the Karma Kagyu lineage. After the two Karmapa have met up, what&#039;s next? The &#039;India&#039; Karmapa was involved in a sex scandal, how is the issue now? So many questions to answer but yet no one is answering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Karmapa Ogyen Trinley now and what is he doing? The other Karmapa went to Europe with the family and he brought his baby son along. It was almost like bringing the baby Sharmapa to meet all their followers. We can see that all the students hold the baby very dear.</p>
<p>This is an indication that the baby is not an ordinary baby. It is highly possible he is the reincarnation of Sharmapa. The Dharma work of the &#8216;white&#8217; Karmapa seems to be growing and he is getting more exposure. But the &#8216;Indian&#8217; Karmapa is so quiet. Not much news about him.</p>
<p>Everyone is very curious about the future of the Karma Kagyu lineage. After the two Karmapa have met up, what&#8217;s next? The &#8216;India&#8217; Karmapa was involved in a sex scandal, how is the issue now? So many questions to answer but yet no one is answering.</p>
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