Comments on: Religious Persecution – how it makes and breaks nations http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/religious-persecution-how-it-makes-and-breaks-nations/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/religious-persecution-how-it-makes-and-breaks-nations/comment-page-1/#comment-49821 Anonymous Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:46:22 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13575#comment-49821 Follow up: Of course, whoever is mistreating others, it isn't right and it needs to stop, so I'm not condoning such behavior. I'm only pointing out that perhaps these issues have more to do with people's *individual/group* bad behavior, as opposed to government oppression. Follow up: Of course, whoever is mistreating others, it isn’t right and it needs to stop, so I’m not condoning such behavior. I’m only pointing out that perhaps these issues have more to do with people’s *individual/group* bad behavior, as opposed to government oppression.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/religious-persecution-how-it-makes-and-breaks-nations/comment-page-1/#comment-49820 Anonymous Tue, 30 Apr 2013 12:39:45 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13575#comment-49820 Of course it's always bad to be shunned and denied basic humane treatment by people in society, but what I am wondering is this: are these the actions of *individuals* who are practicing arbitrary discrimination, or is this an *actual legal policy* of the CTA? It is an important distinction to make because if people assume that bad behavior on the part of others is due to the CTA's laws and/or His Holiness the Dalai Lama's policies, then serious misunderstandings and accusations can arise. So are you sure HHDL himself has actually made laws to discriminate against people, or are individuals in positions of authority, (or ordinary folks just acting out their own prejudices, etc.), simply taking it upon themselves to discriminate and/or abuse DS practitioners? Also, many years ago, this case was taken to Amnesty International and AI came out with a statement saying that there was not enough evidence to prove that HHDL's government in exile was implementing oppressive tactics and human rights abuses. If the CTA was really responsible, then why wouldn't Amnesty International have taken action on this long ago? And wasn't this case taken to the Indian high court and wasn't it thrown out, (not necessarily due to lack of actual events of abuses happening), but due to lack of evidence implicating the CTA? I question whether these human rights abuses actually come from the CTA and I suspect that, (while they may actually occur), these kinds of actions are most likely undertaken by individuals or groups at their own discretion. Also, even if the CTA *is* causing the alleged human rights abuses, is it really fair to compare these issues to the extreme conditions of the inquisition(s), Bloody Mary's reign of terror, or the Nazi holocaust? Of course it’s always bad to be shunned and denied basic humane treatment by people in society, but what I am wondering is this: are these the actions of *individuals* who are practicing arbitrary discrimination, or is this an *actual legal policy* of the CTA? It is an important distinction to make because if people assume that bad behavior on the part of others is due to the CTA’s laws and/or His Holiness the Dalai Lama’s policies, then serious misunderstandings and accusations can arise. So are you sure HHDL himself has actually made laws to discriminate against people, or are individuals in positions of authority, (or ordinary folks just acting out their own prejudices, etc.), simply taking it upon themselves to discriminate and/or abuse DS practitioners? Also, many years ago, this case was taken to Amnesty International and AI came out with a statement saying that there was not enough evidence to prove that HHDL’s government in exile was implementing oppressive tactics and human rights abuses. If the CTA was really responsible, then why wouldn’t Amnesty International have taken action on this long ago? And wasn’t this case taken to the Indian high court and wasn’t it thrown out, (not necessarily due to lack of actual events of abuses happening), but due to lack of evidence implicating the CTA? I question whether these human rights abuses actually come from the CTA and I suspect that, (while they may actually occur), these kinds of actions are most likely undertaken by individuals or groups at their own discretion. Also, even if the CTA *is* causing the alleged human rights abuses, is it really fair to compare these issues to the extreme conditions of the inquisition(s), Bloody Mary’s reign of terror, or the Nazi holocaust?

]]> By: Aramis http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/religious-persecution-how-it-makes-and-breaks-nations/comment-page-1/#comment-26237 Aramis Sun, 10 Jun 2012 15:34:01 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13575#comment-26237 The exiled Tibetan government, made up of strong and devout Buddhists. Even when forced to leave their homeland, and have everything taken from them, will not give up their practice. Now having tension and hatred among themselves because of Dorje Shugden's teaching and practice? How weird? The Dorje Shugden's practice, which was taught down by HH Kyaje Trijang Dorje Chang the teacher and philosophical assistant of HH the 14th Dalai Lama for 50 years. The great Pabongka Rinpoche himself wrote histories and rituals of Dorje Shugden and gave the responsible of this practice to Trijang Rinpoche. How can this practice suddenly be WRONG? BANNED? And the people practicing it, PERSECUTED? EXCOMMUNICATED? The Dalai Lama said the practice of Dorje Shugden wrong and will harm his life, yet he allowed the young Trijang Rinpoche to continue the very practice he said harms him out of Guru Devotion. Then what about all the rest of the practitioners who got initiated and received this teaching from their kind Gurus? Are they to abandon this holy practice which was taught down by the Great Pabongka Rinpoche himself? Should they disregard their Gurus and the many great scholars before them? "In the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, there is a concept known as the importance of the sacred bond between the teacher and the disciples", this is said by the Dalai Lama himself. It is inconceivable in Buddhism that someone can go against the advise of their Root Guru and have any authentic experience of the spiritual path. Therefore is the Dalai Lama contradicting his own words at the same time saying that the pure spiritual lineage passed down from centuries ago is wrong? If yes, then who has the right to say which is correct to practice which is not? The CTA (Central Tibetan Administration) should really consider this issue seriously and treat fellow Tibetans how a democratic government should. Depriving, excommunicating, Dorje Shugden's practitioner of their basic human rights is not the way. For any nation to be moving forward, especially one that is currently in exile, but is powerful, because of a pure spiritual lineage and wisdom, the CTA should not discriminate anybody regardless whether they are practitioner of Dorje Shugden or not. After all, all the teachings came from the same source. In saying this is wrong, then it's as good as saying that all the past Gurus are inaccurate and wrong. All Buddhist practitioner should treat everyone with the same loving compassion regardless of religion, race, and citizenship. Aramis. The exiled Tibetan government, made up of strong and devout Buddhists. Even when forced to leave their homeland, and have everything taken from them, will not give up their practice. Now having tension and hatred among themselves because of Dorje Shugden’s teaching and practice? How weird? The Dorje Shugden’s practice, which was taught down by HH Kyaje Trijang Dorje Chang the teacher and philosophical assistant of HH the 14th Dalai Lama for 50 years. The great Pabongka Rinpoche himself wrote histories and rituals of Dorje Shugden and gave the responsible of this practice to Trijang Rinpoche. How can this practice suddenly be WRONG? BANNED? And the people practicing it, PERSECUTED? EXCOMMUNICATED?

The Dalai Lama said the practice of Dorje Shugden wrong and will harm his life, yet he allowed the young Trijang Rinpoche to continue the very practice he said harms him out of Guru Devotion. Then what about all the rest of the practitioners who got initiated and received this teaching from their kind Gurus? Are they to abandon this holy practice which was taught down by the Great Pabongka Rinpoche himself? Should they disregard their Gurus and the many great scholars before them? “In the Tibetan Buddhist tradition, there is a concept known as the importance of the sacred bond between the teacher and the disciples”, this is said by the Dalai Lama himself. It is inconceivable in Buddhism that someone can go against the advise of their Root Guru and have any authentic experience of the spiritual path. Therefore is the Dalai Lama contradicting his own words at the same time saying that the pure spiritual lineage passed down from centuries ago is wrong? If yes, then who has the right to say which is correct to practice which is not?

The CTA (Central Tibetan Administration) should really consider this issue seriously and treat fellow Tibetans how a democratic government should. Depriving, excommunicating, Dorje Shugden’s practitioner of their basic human rights is not the way. For any nation to be moving forward, especially one that is currently in exile, but is powerful, because of a pure spiritual lineage and wisdom, the CTA should not discriminate anybody regardless whether they are practitioner of Dorje Shugden or not. After all, all the teachings came from the same source. In saying this is wrong, then it’s as good as saying that all the past Gurus are inaccurate and wrong. All Buddhist practitioner should treat everyone with the same loving compassion regardless of religion, race, and citizenship.

Aramis.

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