Comments on: Proof of the bigger picture – Chinese demanded monks to worship Shugden http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/ The Protector whose time has come Mon, 02 Mar 2026 18:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Tenzin K http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-928090 Tenzin K Fri, 30 Aug 2019 12:14:10 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-928090 Never thought of the ban is actually to promote Dorje Shugden practice. The price to pay for this is quite great. Many people suffered from the ban but for the bigger picture and if Dorje Shugden practice really spread wide especially in China, this will be interesting. If you believe Dalai Lama is the emanation of Chenrezig then you will just go with what he said. To me, it's just too much to pay for it. If possible just end the ban now and promote in another way. Perhaps it's time to say that then ban doesn't really bring any benefit to anyone and it should be lifted. Dorje Shugden practitioners can befriend non-Shugden practitioners and all signage should be put down. An official announcement can be made to make this an official decision once and for all. This is what all the Tibetan are waiting for because it doesn't really affect Shugden practitioners but also their family, guru, friends, relatives that are not Shugden practitioners. Is time to unite already. Never thought of the ban is actually to promote Dorje Shugden practice. The price to pay for this is quite great. Many people suffered from the ban but for the bigger picture and if Dorje Shugden practice really spread wide especially in China, this will be interesting.

If you believe Dalai Lama is the emanation of Chenrezig then you will just go with what he said. To me, it’s just too much to pay for it. If possible just end the ban now and promote in another way. Perhaps it’s time to say that then ban doesn’t really bring any benefit to anyone and it should be lifted. Dorje Shugden practitioners can befriend non-Shugden practitioners and all signage should be put down. An official announcement can be made to make this an official decision once and for all.

This is what all the Tibetan are waiting for because it doesn’t really affect Shugden practitioners but also their family, guru, friends, relatives that are not Shugden practitioners. Is time to unite already.

]]> By: Chodag http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-928071 Chodag Thu, 29 Aug 2019 07:35:26 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-928071 If we believe Dalai Lama is Chenrezig then we should not have doubt with his action. Initially, the band really gave a lot of suffering to many people and even up to now. Due to Dorje Shugden controversy, it catches the Chinese attention to do the opposite of what Dalai Lama does. As such, we have China to help to allow more people to learn and practice Dorje Shugden. China will not discriminate, will not operate their own people. China very particular in peace and harmony. If we believe Dalai Lama is Chenrezig then we should not have doubt with his action. Initially, the band really gave a lot of suffering to many people and even up to now. Due to Dorje Shugden controversy, it catches the Chinese attention to do the opposite of what Dalai Lama does. As such, we have China to help to allow more people to learn and practice Dorje Shugden. China will not discriminate, will not operate their own people. China very particular in peace and harmony.

]]> By: Tenzin K http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-927179 Tenzin K Sat, 27 Apr 2019 06:22:39 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-927179 This may sound weird but the enlightened mind always able to see the future to advise what best to do. We may not able to understand their initial action but if we have faith in him then we should just go all the way with him. We must have a great devotion to our Guru which is another important factor for the protector to help us and show us a clear sign. If we believe Dalai Lama is the emanation of Chenrezig and Dorje Shugden is of Manjushri, then what else need to debate. We just need to follow through their advice and collect as much merit as possible to support our practice. This may sound weird but the enlightened mind always able to see the future to advise what best to do. We may not able to understand their initial action but if we have faith in him then we should just go all the way with him. We must have a great devotion to our Guru which is another important factor for the protector to help us and show us a clear sign.

If we believe Dalai Lama is the emanation of Chenrezig and Dorje Shugden is of Manjushri, then what else need to debate. We just need to follow through their advice and collect as much merit as possible to support our practice.

]]> By: Sabrina http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-684339 Sabrina Wed, 05 Sep 2018 08:03:34 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-684339 I think that there is that possibility of the Dalai Lama's foresight to place the ban in order for the practice of Dorje Shugden to proliferate in Tibet/China. After the Dalai Lama was the "enemy" and China will go the opposite of the enemy's wishes. It would be beneficial for Dorje Shugden practice to spread as we need this enlightened protector in such a degenerate age to help us in our spiritual path. What gets me though is how much the Dorje Shugden practitioners are suffering due to the ban. CTA and the Dalai Lama's followers had gone overboard in persecuting practitioners through so many harmful means and had even cause such extensive damage towards the lineages of Tibetan Buddhism. One can really differentiate those who had been honourable and loyal to their Gurus during these painful times. May the Dalai Lama swiftly end the ban and allow freedom of practice as should be the rights of every individual. I think that there is that possibility of the Dalai Lama’s foresight to place the ban in order for the practice of Dorje Shugden to proliferate in Tibet/China. After the Dalai Lama was the “enemy” and China will go the opposite of the enemy’s wishes. It would be beneficial for Dorje Shugden practice to spread as we need this enlightened protector in such a degenerate age to help us in our spiritual path. What gets me though is how much the Dorje Shugden practitioners are suffering due to the ban. CTA and the Dalai Lama’s followers had gone overboard in persecuting practitioners through so many harmful means and had even cause such extensive damage towards the lineages of Tibetan Buddhism. One can really differentiate those who had been honourable and loyal to their Gurus during these painful times. May the Dalai Lama swiftly end the ban and allow freedom of practice as should be the rights of every individual.

]]> By: Tracy http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-681094 Tracy Tue, 04 Sep 2018 04:20:25 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-681094 While we see many people are suffering from the Dorje Shugden ban, the Dorje Shugden monasteries and lamas in China have received much support from the Chinese government. Chinese government allocates fund for the restoration of the Dorje Shugden monasteries and the education of the reincarnated lamas. The Chinese government sees the Dalai Lama as a threat to the political stability. They don't want the negative influence of the Dalai Lama in Tibet and China. If someone is found to be associated with the Dalai Lama, they will be under tight monitoring. The Dorje Shugden ban officially cuts the relationship of the Dorje Shugden followers with the Dalai Lama. Since the Dalai Lama 'outcasts' the Dorje Shugden monasteries and lamas, it will be very safe for the Chinese government to support their Dharma activities. Dorje Shugden lamas such as Lama Wangchuk was allowed to travel overseas to give Dharma teachings in Europe. Gangchen Rinpoche is allowed to travel freely in and out of China. Chinese government allocates funds for the restorations and educations of the Dorje Shugden monasteries and lamas. These are the benefits gained from the ban. To ban is destructive but at the same time, it brings benefits to the Dorje Shugden practitioners in China. While we see many people are suffering from the Dorje Shugden ban, the Dorje Shugden monasteries and lamas in China have received much support from the Chinese government. Chinese government allocates fund for the restoration of the Dorje Shugden monasteries and the education of the reincarnated lamas.

The Chinese government sees the Dalai Lama as a threat to the political stability. They don’t want the negative influence of the Dalai Lama in Tibet and China. If someone is found to be associated with the Dalai Lama, they will be under tight monitoring.

The Dorje Shugden ban officially cuts the relationship of the Dorje Shugden followers with the Dalai Lama. Since the Dalai Lama ‘outcasts’ the Dorje Shugden monasteries and lamas, it will be very safe for the Chinese government to support their Dharma activities. Dorje Shugden lamas such as Lama Wangchuk was allowed to travel overseas to give Dharma teachings in Europe. Gangchen Rinpoche is allowed to travel freely in and out of China. Chinese government allocates funds for the restorations and educations of the Dorje Shugden monasteries and lamas. These are the benefits gained from the ban. To ban is destructive but at the same time, it brings benefits to the Dorje Shugden practitioners in China.

]]> By: Sherabz http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-206578 Sherabz Mon, 06 Mar 2017 10:22:42 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-206578 A qualified and compassionate spiritual guide will always think about how to benefit the students as well as all sentient beings. For this instance, if there is no ban against Dorje Shugden, I personally believe that many of the erudite lamas will continue stay in Tibet and the dharma growth will happen only within that areas. Direct or indirectly, many others in overseas might not able to get the direct teachings from these erudite lamas. Adversely, because of the Dorje Shugden ban, some of the great lamas left Tibet and spread dharma in overseas which will benefit many others there. It is not easy to have a decision to do or not to do. This is because no matter the decision is made/support which side, the people will still have to suffer either from the result of the ban or no dharma being spread in overseas. As such, a compassionate spiritual guide may only choose to think bigger and further so that many people will be benefited from it. A qualified and compassionate spiritual guide will always think about how to benefit the students as well as all sentient beings. For this instance, if there is no ban against Dorje Shugden, I personally believe that many of the erudite lamas will continue stay in Tibet and the dharma growth will happen only within that areas. Direct or indirectly, many others in overseas might not able to get the direct teachings from these erudite lamas. Adversely, because of the Dorje Shugden ban, some of the great lamas left Tibet and spread dharma in overseas which will benefit many others there.

It is not easy to have a decision to do or not to do. This is because no matter the decision is made/support which side, the people will still have to suffer either from the result of the ban or no dharma being spread in overseas. As such, a compassionate spiritual guide may only choose to think bigger and further so that many people will be benefited from it.

]]> By: Camilia http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-205435 Camilia Fri, 01 Jul 2016 14:14:20 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-205435 I will not dismiss this theory where Dalai Lama use skillful means to promote Dorje Shugden. This would mean that Dalai Lama is omniscient and fully expected the Chinese will acknowledge and support anything that the Dalai Lama is against. Unfortunately this method brings harm to many Shugden practitioners as a result of willful action by Dalai Lama’s followers. Some can also interpret it as a vicious cycle of bad karma ripening on the part of Shugden practitioners and the planting of negative karma on the part of Dalai Lama’s followers. As of presence, the best approach is to lift the ban so that suffering will not perpetuate and no further negative karma can be created. I will not dismiss this theory where Dalai Lama use skillful means to promote Dorje Shugden. This would mean that Dalai Lama is omniscient and fully expected the Chinese will acknowledge and support anything that the Dalai Lama is against. Unfortunately this method brings harm to many Shugden practitioners as a result of willful action by Dalai Lama’s followers. Some can also interpret it as a vicious cycle of bad karma ripening on the part of Shugden practitioners and the planting of negative karma on the part of Dalai Lama’s followers. As of presence, the best approach is to lift the ban so that suffering will not perpetuate and no further negative karma can be created.

]]> By: Sierra http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-205218 Sierra Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:30:51 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-205218 It makes sense that by banning the Dorje Shugden practice, it will spread like wildfire. Sounds plausible that China will want to break the hold of the Dalai Lama on the Tibetans. and so will 'encourage' the practice. May that prove to be true as otherwise, many Shugden practitioners will suffer under the ban. Such pain for families to be separated due to the ban. Such suffering for them to be be unable to obtain daily basic necessities. Worse still, for those followers of the Dalai Lama who think that they are following the Dalai Lama's instructions. They have caused suffering to lay people with their violence and vulgarity. They have committed horrible crimes against monks. This has caused schism within and without the sangha. Are they breaking their vows? If the "Wheel of Sharp Weapons" hold true, how they will suffer in future lives., In all sincerity, I hope that the pain and suffering will be worth it - that it can truly be clearing of their negative karma, that it is a form of purification. It makes sense that by banning the Dorje Shugden practice, it will spread like wildfire. Sounds plausible that China will want to break the hold of the Dalai Lama on the Tibetans. and so will ‘encourage’ the practice.

May that prove to be true as otherwise, many Shugden practitioners will suffer under the ban. Such pain for families to be separated due to the ban. Such suffering for them to be be unable to obtain daily basic necessities.

Worse still, for those followers of the Dalai Lama who think that they are following the Dalai Lama’s instructions. They have caused suffering to lay people with their violence and vulgarity. They have committed horrible crimes against monks. This has caused schism within and without the sangha. Are they breaking their vows? If the “Wheel of Sharp Weapons” hold true, how they will suffer in future lives.,

In all sincerity, I hope that the pain and suffering will be worth it – that it can truly be clearing of their negative karma, that it is a form of purification.

]]> By: diamond223 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-27168 diamond223 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:22:53 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-27168 Thanks to the team for letting us know, the Chinese are practicing Dorje Shugden. It's a great News to all DS practitioners, Dorje Shugden's 'Ban' will be lifted soon!!! Thanks to the team for letting us know, the Chinese are practicing Dorje Shugden. It’s a great News to all DS practitioners, Dorje Shugden’s ‘Ban’ will be lifted soon!!!

]]> By: Agnes Kohl http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/proof-of-the-bigger-picture-chinese-demanded-monks-to-worship-shugden/comment-page-1/#comment-25935 Agnes Kohl Thu, 17 May 2012 16:52:36 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=13134#comment-25935 This is very interesting... I too was attracted to this subject matter when I read about the Ban. And learning from this website and also some others, I have gained faith in Ds as a protector. I pray very hard that the "speculation" that indeed the Ban IS to promote the "victim", I would like to see very much the Ban be lifted. I have printed brochures from this website for my friends in Germany, Hong Kong and Singapore. Last week I bought the comic from the website and also a pendant. I gave the comic to my brother who is now also reading on this website. If anyone wishes to introduce friends to this practice they should also read on: http://www.dorjeshugden.net This website is new look and very modern. Also focus on information and education, and no politics. This is very interesting… I too was attracted to this subject matter when I read about the Ban. And learning from this website and also some others, I have gained faith in Ds as a protector. I pray very hard that the “speculation” that indeed the Ban IS to promote the “victim”, I would like to see very much the Ban be lifted.

I have printed brochures from this website for my friends in Germany, Hong Kong and Singapore. Last week I bought the comic from the website and also a pendant. I gave the comic to my brother who is now also reading on this website. If anyone wishes to introduce friends to this practice they should also read on:

http://www.dorjeshugden.net

This website is new look and very modern. Also focus on information and education, and no politics.

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