Comments on: Mountain Phoenix on Dorje Shugden

By: DSFriend

DSFriend — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:49:30 +0000

Dalai Lama has always took on both the spiritual and political role as far back as the incarnation of The Great 5th. With this dual role, he has preserved Tibetan Buddhism and brought it to the international forefront but of course, many will also critique and question how theocratic feudal system of governance has not helped TIbet to advance as a nation.

How dependent or not how the Tibetan Government function in relation to the Dalai Lama’s influence is unknown to me. Have and will the Tibetans tow the line with TGIE without the Dalai Lama?

By: Arisa

Arisa — Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:15:51 +0000

Instead of putting the main focus on Dorje Shugden issue. The Tibetan Government should in fact do things for their people and the country and concentrate more on important issues. I believe this controversy regarding Dorje Shugden is Tibetan politics. Then why is the whole world of Dorje Shugden followers be affected. On the other hand Dalai Lama is suppose to be the Tibetan Spiritual Leader and are not supposed to be involved in Politics.

By: DSFriend

DSFriend — Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:17:16 +0000

I respect the sharing by Mountain Phoenix. However, I doubt Dalai Lama is going to go public to rectify this or lift the ban.

The question is who do we see Dalai Lama as.

If he is Avalokiteshvara, then we will see that all these seemingly harmful actions are actually not so and the motivation and ultimate goal is to liberate us.

If we see him as a samsaric being, then what proof have we got? Do we want to take the risk of jeapordizing our own practice….how will this view bring benefit to us.

I choose not to size up the Dalai Lama. I don’t dare. Focusing on clearing wrong views about the Protector Dorje Shugden will be more beneficial for the little time I have in this life.

By: Arisa

Arisa — Tue, 01 Feb 2011 08:07:28 +0000

I guess Mountain Phoenix does not mean to say that Dorje Shugden is a ghost. Sometimes we do not know what the mind of the other person what the word is to be meant. I think she meant a spirit not a ghost as she had later claimed Dorje Shugden is a Buddha. I like the way she said why don’t Dalai Lama come out into the open and rectify with the Dorje Shugden’s practitioners. Instead of just slapping a Ban on the Dorje Shugden practitioners using Tibetan government politics. This is not a Government Political issue. This is Spiritual issue.

By: vajrastorm

vajrastorm — Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:29:07 +0000

Mountain Phoenix’s voice of peace is a rather muted one.’Peace’ in its truest sense means ‘zero conflict’. A mind state of ‘zero conflict’ can only stem from a non-dualistic mind, a mind that has no clinging to the sense of ‘I’.
Thus we must continue to believe in and advocate ‘non-partisanship’ as the way forward.This is because non-partisanship in regard to this seeming great conflict is indicative of a selfless or non-dualistic mind and a mind of Bodhicitta. This is, in itself, a reflection of the ‘enlightened mind’ of Dorje Shugden.

By: vajrastorm

vajrastorm — Mon, 15 Nov 2010 08:15:05 +0000

Yes, this is definitely a more balanced and less biassed view, coming from the opposite camp, in regard to the pro- and anti-Shugden conflict.
She suggests ‘to stop raising the issue in public’ but instead she advocates that the Dalai Lama engage in direct debate with the ‘defiant Lamas and Geshes’ as, in her own words, this would be ‘more effective’. Hers is a voice of peace, albeit the lone voice in the wilderness.

By: beggar

beggar — Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:05:48 +0000

Thanks for sharing this. Very well presented points and accompanying commentary and I am encouraged to see a more balanced point of view which isn’t so aggressive and slanderous from a Tibetan.

I’d like to share this on the forum too if that’s okay with you – would be great to get some discussion going as to how different points of view can be presented without necessarily being aggressive or offensive.