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	<title>Comments on: Letter to Robert A. F. Thurman by Shamar Rinpoche</title>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just baffles me that Robert Thurman even has the audacity to write to Sharma Rinpoche to tell him off by saying he has no evidence in his claims. How stupid is that? It has been the tradition of the Karmapa and Sharmapa to recognize each other and they have the full authority to do that on their own. Why would he need to show evidence to &quot;prove&quot; that he is doing the right thing

He is saying His Holiness the Dalai Lama is qualified to recognize a lama from another sect where he has never done it before? The only reason the public allows and also accepts it because they are unaware of the traditions in Tibetan Buddhism. Robert Thurman does not have the privilege to say he does not know since he is a Buddhist &quot;scholar&quot;. What kind of &quot;scholar&quot; he is? 

It shows how ignorant and arrogant he is to write such a letter to a High lama from another sect which he is totally not familiar with. Being close to His Holiness really messes up with his brain. Someone should kindly remove him from Dalai Lama&#039;s side so that he will not damage His Holiness with his actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just baffles me that Robert Thurman even has the audacity to write to Sharma Rinpoche to tell him off by saying he has no evidence in his claims. How stupid is that? It has been the tradition of the Karmapa and Sharmapa to recognize each other and they have the full authority to do that on their own. Why would he need to show evidence to &#8220;prove&#8221; that he is doing the right thing</p>
<p>He is saying His Holiness the Dalai Lama is qualified to recognize a lama from another sect where he has never done it before? The only reason the public allows and also accepts it because they are unaware of the traditions in Tibetan Buddhism. Robert Thurman does not have the privilege to say he does not know since he is a Buddhist &#8220;scholar&#8221;. What kind of &#8220;scholar&#8221; he is? </p>
<p>It shows how ignorant and arrogant he is to write such a letter to a High lama from another sect which he is totally not familiar with. Being close to His Holiness really messes up with his brain. Someone should kindly remove him from Dalai Lama&#8217;s side so that he will not damage His Holiness with his actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Drolma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drolma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2019 22:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What authority does Robert Thurman have to say which Karmapa is real and which is not? No one asks his opinion, he just voluntarily steps in to create problems in the Kagyu lineage. No wonder the Sharmapa has to issue a statement in response to that. 

No other scholars make any statement on the Karmapa because this is complicated and does not have anything to do with what they are doing. Most of them when they do their research they are very neutral, they use the fact to support what they write. It is very seldom they put their personal opinion trying to manipulate the readers for their own benefits. 

This statement issued by Robert Thurman using the letterhead of the university and the position he held in the university is a very clear example of how he is trying to influence people and create division within the Kagyupas. As a Buddhist, he is not promoting harmony, he is creating schism and breaking a lineage apart. He is very close to the CTA and the Dalai Lama. If they are not stopping him from doing that, it must be that they are in agreement with Robert Thurman, they want to break Kagyu lineage apart too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What authority does Robert Thurman have to say which Karmapa is real and which is not? No one asks his opinion, he just voluntarily steps in to create problems in the Kagyu lineage. No wonder the Sharmapa has to issue a statement in response to that. </p>
<p>No other scholars make any statement on the Karmapa because this is complicated and does not have anything to do with what they are doing. Most of them when they do their research they are very neutral, they use the fact to support what they write. It is very seldom they put their personal opinion trying to manipulate the readers for their own benefits. </p>
<p>This statement issued by Robert Thurman using the letterhead of the university and the position he held in the university is a very clear example of how he is trying to influence people and create division within the Kagyupas. As a Buddhist, he is not promoting harmony, he is creating schism and breaking a lineage apart. He is very close to the CTA and the Dalai Lama. If they are not stopping him from doing that, it must be that they are in agreement with Robert Thurman, they want to break Kagyu lineage apart too!</p>
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		<title>By: David la</title>
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		<dc:creator>David la</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let majority of Tibetans decide who they trust and believe. Foreigners should stay away from the internal matter of Tibetan belief and should understand the majority&#039;s concern. The Dalai Lama is not deeply respected because of his title but  his tireless effort to protect Tibet&#039;s identity and destitute people came into exile. The government of India supported Tibetan refugee including all those respected Lamas due to dynamic leadership and 99% Tibetans trust upon him. How Lamas forget His Holiness contribution for the cause of Tibet during the critical time in Tibet&#039;s history. If anyone disregard him or his leadership that indicates how pure oneself is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let majority of Tibetans decide who they trust and believe. Foreigners should stay away from the internal matter of Tibetan belief and should understand the majority&#8217;s concern. The Dalai Lama is not deeply respected because of his title but  his tireless effort to protect Tibet&#8217;s identity and destitute people came into exile. The government of India supported Tibetan refugee including all those respected Lamas due to dynamic leadership and 99% Tibetans trust upon him. How Lamas forget His Holiness contribution for the cause of Tibet during the critical time in Tibet&#8217;s history. If anyone disregard him or his leadership that indicates how pure oneself is.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please join me and sign this petition: 
http://www.thepetitionsite.c om/1/allegiance-to-holy-dorj e-shugden 

let&#039;s stand up and be counted.. online even if we can&#039;t do it offline...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please join me and sign this petition:<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.thepetitionsite.c" rel="nofollow">http://www.thepetitionsite.c</a> om/1/allegiance-to-holy-dorj e-shugden </p>
<p>let&#8217;s stand up and be counted.. online even if we can&#8217;t do it offline&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key thing pointed out here is that people should examine their beliefs thoroughly; instead of having a fixed conclusion beforehand, and then simply try to come up with reasons that will conveniently support it.

Obviously, Robert Thurman is so closely tied to the coattails of the Dalai Lama for his status and profession that to actually spend the time to understand the issue and then say &quot;Wow, the Dalai Lama was simply trying to interfere with centuries of tradition by interfering with the selection of a Kagyu Lama&quot;. It is clear he did not even bother to understand the nature of the court case... he simply said &quot;Of Coarse the Dalai Lama is right: Reason - he is the Dalai Lama&quot; 

Funny he can consider himself a scholar.

Also funny how westerners have so much unquestioning faith in a man whose claim to fame is &quot;The first Western Buddhist monk&quot; who, subsequently could not even keep his vows. Is this someone who is an &quot;authority on Buddhism&quot;?

The inability to come up with sound reasoning for arguments also explains the roots of the Dorje Shugden controversy... nobody in the West will use reasoning and historical perspective to see how insane the Dalai Lama&#039;s ban on Shugden practice is, as well as his attempts to dismantle the other Tibetan Lineages so that he may be the absolute dictator of all.

In the end of the day the enemy is always ignorance.... for if the Dalai Lama himself too wants to be happy he needs to understand that all the power and control in the world will never give it to him.

I pray that westerners will learn to develop their wisdom and not blindly follow the first person they meet who has a &quot;good reputation&quot; or is charismatic, or good looking etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key thing pointed out here is that people should examine their beliefs thoroughly; instead of having a fixed conclusion beforehand, and then simply try to come up with reasons that will conveniently support it.</p>
<p>Obviously, Robert Thurman is so closely tied to the coattails of the Dalai Lama for his status and profession that to actually spend the time to understand the issue and then say &#8220;Wow, the Dalai Lama was simply trying to interfere with centuries of tradition by interfering with the selection of a Kagyu Lama&#8221;. It is clear he did not even bother to understand the nature of the court case&#8230; he simply said &#8220;Of Coarse the Dalai Lama is right: Reason &#8211; he is the Dalai Lama&#8221; </p>
<p>Funny he can consider himself a scholar.</p>
<p>Also funny how westerners have so much unquestioning faith in a man whose claim to fame is &#8220;The first Western Buddhist monk&#8221; who, subsequently could not even keep his vows. Is this someone who is an &#8220;authority on Buddhism&#8221;?</p>
<p>The inability to come up with sound reasoning for arguments also explains the roots of the Dorje Shugden controversy&#8230; nobody in the West will use reasoning and historical perspective to see how insane the Dalai Lama&#8217;s ban on Shugden practice is, as well as his attempts to dismantle the other Tibetan Lineages so that he may be the absolute dictator of all.</p>
<p>In the end of the day the enemy is always ignorance&#8230;. for if the Dalai Lama himself too wants to be happy he needs to understand that all the power and control in the world will never give it to him.</p>
<p>I pray that westerners will learn to develop their wisdom and not blindly follow the first person they meet who has a &#8220;good reputation&#8221; or is charismatic, or good looking etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob has his entire academic record on the line, along with his imaginary Red Chair.I am so grateful I did not attend this sham or take a train ride with Norbu to witness the Nobel Peace Prize. 
I think and see it now that the Protector protected me from following this Trickster any further and bond to a false one.
Once everyone finally understands the ruse he has concocted to fool everyone in to following him.
Seig heil!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob has his entire academic record on the line, along with his imaginary Red Chair.I am so grateful I did not attend this sham or take a train ride with Norbu to witness the Nobel Peace Prize.<br />
I think and see it now that the Protector protected me from following this Trickster any further and bond to a false one.<br />
Once everyone finally understands the ruse he has concocted to fool everyone in to following him.<br />
Seig heil!</p>
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