Comments on: Gaden Monks Forced to Swear Against Dorje Shugden (video)

By: Gaz

Gaz — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:46:31 +0000

Irony is when you force thousands to swear out, thereby proving thousands were practising to begin with. Which then goes on to prove that Dorje Shugden ISNT a minority practice like your so fond of claiming.

EH CTA???

By: Eric Moore

Eric Moore — Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:01:17 +0000

Yep.This is what happens when you listen to people like the Dalai Lama.

By: brian

brian — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 05:18:39 +0000

I sincerely feel for the monks in both Gaden Shartse and Shar Gaden. Such enforcement to force monks into swearing against practising Dorje Shugden. I believe many who swore were under tremendous pressure and we have come to know by now what the then TGIE can do even to the holy sanghas and disrespect them.

I feel for the monks who stood by their holy commitments received the precious Dorje Shugden practice from their holy Gurus despite having to be separated from the Gaden Shartse and as well as their own family members. I can’t believe this is still happening in the modern world.

At the same time I am glad that Shar Gaden Monastery has been formed resulting from such circumstances where the monks can have freedom of worship and practice what they believe.

Every Dorje Shugden practitioners who read this article and saw the video should make some contribution and let’s help our sangha member to persevere through this period of difficulty. Thank you all who have made the contribution.

Curiosity plays into my mind that the monks were made to swear in front of Lord Setrap’s thangkha and from the little that I know, Lord Setrap is very close with Dorje Shugden(!). So what’s happening here?

By: Lama Thubten Wangmo

Lama Thubten Wangmo — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:51:13 +0000

Dear readers my apologies in the first comment I made some mistakes i realized after submitting, please read the second comment.

By: Lama Thubten Wangmo

Lama Thubten Wangmo — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:43:24 +0000

This shows that the CTA is still thinking in terms of forceful removal. In the political circles this is known as an expression of linear corporate thinking in which a physical non-violent ‘forceful removal’ is used. A good example is in the form of media imposing fear around the Dollar, Euro or general economy. The goal of this type of use in the media is to make every one ‘agree’ to the ‘markets’and the so called economical growth in a almost religious way by calling on the dormant fear to lose and the make believe in the grace of financial growth and its sole purpose as a reward. The consequence from this could be, that a constant justification culture arises of cutting wages or imposing strange taxes on the majority of the lower wages group in order for their dependance on the ‘markets’ or any Monetary body’s such as Monetary funds or local funds . Another widely recognized phenomenon, where often abusive power is used in a physical or psychological way is the resulting ‘Stockholm phenomenon’. During the event or incident the victims are told that they can not use the essential facilities such as the bathroom unless they co-operate. The abusers thereby reward their victims with the use of one these essential facilities, in the hope that the victims will start to agree and believe into the abusers ‘wants and wishes and their goals’. This incident looks like a careful planned technique with the hope on a ‘Stockholm phenomenon’ outcome, whether there are Monastic rules or not, Human rights and all the other Vinayas.
A Bihishu/ Bhiksuni- Sramanera/ Sramaneri refusing to swear to elders, others, respected objects or the Monastery as a whole is not even a ‘bom bo’or minor offence! So when ordered to be excommunicated is invalid. The rules and regulations in monastery are those laid down due to the experience of the Buddha whilst forming the Monastic community and can be read in the collection of Dulwa texts, under: ‘when a vinaya holder is to be expelled’. Forceful removal is a sign of total inadequacy and desperation because the desired power can not be archived. Certainly Lay officials have no mandatory power in monastery’s. To exert this type of behavior is very delusional and in line with this linear corporate thinking to growth, in this case power!
Buddha’s do not harm others!

By: Lama Thubten Wangmo

Lama Thubten Wangmo — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 19:29:49 +0000

This shows that the CTA is still thinking in terms of forceful removal. In the political circles this is known as an expression of linear corporate thinking in which a physical non-violent ‘forceful removal’ is used. A good example is in the form of media imposing fear around the Dollar Euro or general economy. The goal of this type of use in mediais to make every one ‘agree’ to the ‘markets’and the so called economical growth in a almost religious way (the make believe in the grace of financial growth and its sole purpose). The consequence from this could be, that a constant justification culture arises of cutting wages or imposing strange taxes on the lower wages group in order for their dependance on the ‘markets’ or any Monetary body’s such as Monetary funds . Another widely recognized phenomenon, where often abusive power is used in a physical or psychological way is the resulting ‘Stockholm phenomenon’. During the event or incident the victims are told that they can not use the essential facilities such as the bathroom unless they co-operate. The abusers thereby reward their victims with the use of one these essential facilities, in the hope that the victims will start to agree and believe into the abusers ‘wants and wishes and their goals’. This incident looks like a careful planned technique with the hope on a ‘Stockholm phenomenon’ outcome, whether there are Monastic rules or not, Human rights and all the other Vinayas.
A Bihishu/ Bhiksuni- Sramanera/ Sramaneri refusing to swear to elders, others, respected objects or the Monastery as a whole is not even a ‘bom bo’or minor offence! So when ordered to be excommunicated is invalid. The rules and regulations in monastery are those laid down due to the experience of the Buddha whilst forming the Monastic community and can be read in the collection of Dulwa texts, under: ‘when a vinaya holder is to be expelled’. Forceful removal is a sign of total inadequacy and desperation because the desired power can not be archived. Certainly Lay officials have no mandatory power in monastery’s. To exert this type of behavior is very delusional and in line with this linear corporate thinking to growth, in this case power!
Buddha’s do not harm others!

By: Caz

Caz — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:24:11 +0000

The person behind creating a schism in the sangha must be being lead by a mara. Buddha’s do not harm others.

By: dondrup shugden

dondrup shugden — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 08:17:17 +0000

It is almost unbelievable that even until 2008-2009, the CTA is still unrelentingly forcing monks to stop worshipping Dorje Shugden. As at 2008-2009, the ban had been on for a while, obviously the CTA is aware that the practice is prevalent and every now and then, this exercise of swearing will be conducted.

Sad to see old monks swearing in and even more sad are the young monks being punished not to practice.

If so much still need to be done to curb the worship of Dorje Shugden, it is my belief that nothing can stop the King of Protectors and soon DS worship will ascend the world.

Let there be knowledge to be spread in all directions for the benefits of Dorje Shugden worship to grow exponentially.

By: Icy

Icy — Tue, 03 Jan 2012 01:22:49 +0000

I am sorry to say CTA has nothing much to do these days other than to bully Dorje Shugden practitioners. Tibet is lost to China and they are unable to get independance hence they need to create a scrape goat on Dorje Shugden to distract the attention on them. What a loser.

By: admin

admin — Mon, 02 Jan 2012 23:15:38 +0000

We are sad to present this never seen before video of the forced swearing in against Dorje Shugden. There is no religious freedom for Dorje Shugden practitioners within the exile Tibetan community in India and Nepal. There is no dialogue, discussion or respect for Shugden believers although they are Tibetans too. They do not enjoy the fundamental rights as other Tibetans. The Central Tibetan Admin or CTA hunt down those who do not swear in and excommunicate them. Admin