Comments on: Four Very Important Questions http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/ The Protector whose time has come Thu, 30 Apr 2026 21:50:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Betty Davis http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-3/#comment-198181 Betty Davis Wed, 29 Oct 2014 03:38:18 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-198181 Ever since,Samdhong Rinpoche made the shocking revelation about his having followed the instructions of his Guru Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in meting out all the gross atrocities on Shugden practitioners, during his tenure as Kalon Tripa, I have been entertaining thoughts about all the 'perverse' instructions and actions of the Dalai Lama in thwarting the efforts of Shugdenpas in carrying out their practice of Shugden. The practiitoners of Shugden have hung on to their practice of Shugden, no matter what, all because of pure Guru Devotion, all because they were and are following the instructions of their Gurus. Then ,we have seen HH Dalai Lama banning the practice of Shugden, calling Dorje Shugden a Gyalpo and causing so much hardships and suffering to Shugden practitioners. We are thus inclined to think that the emanation of the Buddha of Compassion cannot be in his right senses to have caused so much pain and suffering Furthermore, he has defiantly said that his Gurus were wrong about the practice of Shugden. Howevr, after the previous Kalon Tripa's revelation, I am made to wonder, DID THE DALAI LAMA RECEIVE INSTRUCTIONS FROM HIS TEACHER, KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE, TO BAN THE SHUGDEN PRACTICE AND TO SPEAK ABOUT SHUGDEN AS A GYALPO? If that were the case, then, like Samdhong Rinpoche, the Dalai Lama was and is still merely following His guru's instructions. Furthermore, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in 'Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors' says: "(T)o the common view, it is difficult to fully understand the appearances of holy great Aryas and their inconceivable 3 secrets (body, speech and mind) at the DEFINITIVE LEVEL.Buddhas will even emanate as evil persons, if it serves to benefit trainees" Ever since,Samdhong Rinpoche made the shocking revelation about his having followed the instructions of his Guru Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in meting out all the gross atrocities on Shugden practitioners, during his tenure as Kalon Tripa, I have been entertaining thoughts about all the ‘perverse’ instructions and actions of the Dalai Lama in thwarting the efforts of Shugdenpas in carrying out their practice of Shugden. The practiitoners of Shugden have hung on to their practice of Shugden, no matter what, all because of pure Guru Devotion, all because they were and are following the instructions of their Gurus.

Then ,we have seen HH Dalai Lama banning the practice of Shugden, calling Dorje Shugden a Gyalpo and causing so much hardships and suffering to Shugden practitioners. We are thus inclined to think that the emanation of the Buddha of Compassion cannot be in his right senses to have caused so much pain and suffering Furthermore, he has defiantly said that his Gurus were wrong about the practice of Shugden.

Howevr, after the previous Kalon Tripa’s revelation, I am made to wonder, DID THE DALAI LAMA RECEIVE INSTRUCTIONS FROM HIS TEACHER, KYABJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE, TO BAN THE SHUGDEN PRACTICE AND TO SPEAK ABOUT SHUGDEN AS A GYALPO? If that were the case, then, like Samdhong Rinpoche, the Dalai Lama was and is still merely following His guru’s instructions.

Furthermore, Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche in ‘Music Delighting the Ocean of Protectors’ says: “(T)o the common view, it is difficult to fully understand the appearances of holy great Aryas and their inconceivable 3 secrets (body, speech and mind) at the DEFINITIVE LEVEL.Buddhas will even emanate as evil persons, if it serves to benefit trainees”

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By: Alex http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-3/#comment-193910 Alex Sun, 22 Jun 2014 10:09:29 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-193910 Survival. Instincts. Being a "Tibetan" doesn't imply being a "Saint". Don't you try to fool us. The Dalai has sworn to all the sentient beings to be a Buddhist Protector. Which means, amongst the all other things, to strive to protect people from being sacrificed (fed to) to some hellish entities that will protect the doers (worshipers) from being devoured in exchange (for some time, unless desperately hungry). And stop using the Kagyu School turmoil as your own leverage. You do not show any compassion, you are just are afraid of what comes at you after your death.... Survival. Instincts. Being a “Tibetan” doesn’t imply being a “Saint”. Don’t you try to fool us. The Dalai has sworn to all the sentient beings to be a Buddhist Protector. Which means, amongst the all other things, to strive to protect people from being sacrificed (fed to) to some hellish entities that will protect the doers (worshipers) from being devoured in exchange (for some time, unless desperately hungry). And stop using the Kagyu School turmoil as your own leverage. You do not show any compassion, you are just are afraid of what comes at you after your death….

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By: Kelly http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-3/#comment-193787 Kelly Fri, 20 Jun 2014 08:30:45 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-193787 In this 21th century we should not have discrimination again what race and what religious because most people in this era are expose to information from all around the world and most people are educated, freedom of speech freedom of religious is where everyone of us want we do not like to be control by the authority, lifting the DS ban is a must because it will help to unite the Tibetan . In this 21th century we should not have discrimination again what race and what religious because most people in this era are expose to information from all around the world and most people are educated, freedom of speech freedom of religious is where everyone of us want we do not like to be control by the authority, lifting the DS ban is a must because it will help to unite the Tibetan .

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By: Else Schumann http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-3/#comment-50954 Else Schumann Fri, 09 Aug 2013 23:27:03 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-50954 I was a victim of prejudice. It is sad, Tibetan people don't deserve this. I was a victim of prejudice.
It is sad, Tibetan people don’t deserve this.

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By: BlueUpali http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-2/#comment-49653 BlueUpali Wed, 24 Apr 2013 05:19:37 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-49653 The Dalai Lama actually wasn't the official spiritual leader of the Tibetans in the past; he announced this this life, according to Shamar Rinpoche. The Dalai Lama actually wasn’t the official spiritual leader of the Tibetans in the past; he announced this this life, according to Shamar Rinpoche.

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By: Jungney Doraemon http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-2/#comment-28543 Jungney Doraemon Mon, 03 Sep 2012 03:06:29 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-28543 http://amitofocc.com/2011-11-30-the-great-compassionate-dharma-function-in-malawi If good values are not instilled into them, together with a sense of moral responsibility for each other, their future will be bleak indeed. Who will then be able to shoulder the social responsibilities of these countries in the future? http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=71,3256,0,0,1,0 http://amitofocc.com/2011-11-30-the-great-compassionate-dharma-function-in-malawi

If good values are not instilled into them, together with a sense of moral responsibility for each other, their future will be bleak indeed. Who will then be able to shoulder the social responsibilities of these countries in the future?
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=71,3256,0,0,1,0

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By: Jungney Doraemon http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-2/#comment-28542 Jungney Doraemon Mon, 03 Sep 2012 02:57:05 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-28542 Dear Howard, you seemed to be mesmerized over your own defilement that prevented you from understanding both yours secular and religious/spiritual true identity, that Tibetan Buddhism has offered you. It is important to truly understand what is secular? and what is religious? 'Secular people' do not understand secularism, and throughout history, it was secularism leaders that driven their nation and the world into numerous inequalities and calamities. And there are numerous being rescued from religious teaching. In view of this, 'religious' leaders involvement to interfere for a more peaceful living has met with secularistic envy that engendering traumatic interference. Life is so much joys and peace if live within your means as demonstrated by the simplicity of the buddhism monks and nuns who are leading simple happy life. May all live a compassionate and peace way of life for a eternal joys & peace world together. Dear Howard, you seemed to be mesmerized over your own defilement that prevented you from understanding both yours secular and religious/spiritual true identity, that Tibetan Buddhism has offered you.
It is important to truly understand what is secular? and what is religious? ‘Secular people’ do not understand secularism, and throughout history, it was secularism leaders that driven their nation and the world into numerous inequalities and calamities. And there are numerous being rescued from religious teaching. In view of this, ‘religious’ leaders involvement to interfere for a more peaceful living has met with secularistic envy that engendering traumatic interference. Life is so much joys and peace if live within your means as demonstrated by the simplicity of the buddhism monks and nuns who are leading simple happy life. May all live a compassionate and peace way of life for a eternal joys & peace world together.

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By: Howard http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-2/#comment-27096 Howard Thu, 12 Jul 2012 03:14:35 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-27096 I do not understand the many commenters who speak about the Dalai Lama's "high state of realization" and defend his actions on the basis that those of us who are not enlightened cannot judge. I just watched an interview with the Dalai Lama on American television where he emphatically insisted that he was NOT enlightened and scoffed -- loudly and derisively SCOFFED - at the very notion that he might be. I understand that true Masters do not blow their own horns, but there is a difference between arrogantly praising one's achievements and humbly acknowledging that one has attained some measure of realization through following the Buddha's -- not one's own -- path. Particularly when one enjoys the reputation of being a highly advanced spiritual being and an emanation of a Buddha, it seems to me more unseemly to strike the pose of a giggling fool than to acknowledge one's genuine station with quiet humility. When I watched the Dalai Lama laugh uproariously at his own inability to remember any past lives or "even what I ate for breakfast this morning", I could not help but think that if the "spiritual leader" of Tibet has not attained any more realization than this, then what hope is there for the rest of us? Did the man not realize the discouraging effect that such a statement would have on the morale of many aspiring practitioners who need to see that the path they are on is capable of producing genuine results? It was immediately after watching this interview that I began reading about the Dorje Shugden controversy in depth. I do not want to accrue bad karma by speaking ill of the Dalai Lama, but did not Buddha Shakyamuni insist that all followers must test the teachings by their own experience? If I test the Dalai Lama's teachings and actions by my own experience, I am left with a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Taking him at his own word, he is not a realized practitioner. This would explain why he consults trance mediums for advice, and why he has manifested the very opposite of compassion towards the Dorje Shugden practitioners. I cannot reconcile the notion that an emanation of Avalokitesvara would instigate such hatred and violence towards any group, even a group of murderers seeking his blood (and I am fairly sure the Dorje Shugden practitioners have no such evil motives and represent no such threat). Indeed, even Jesus Christ went voluntarily to the cross rather than engage in violence against his spiritual/political enemies. If the Dalai Lama cannot manifest similar compassion towards these practitioners he considers to be 'shortening his life', he has not even attained the realization of compassion that many non-Buddhists have attained. I pray that I incur no bad karma from speaking these thoughts of my heart, but in all honesty, the Dalai Lama's actions have turned me away from Tibetan Buddhism and caused great confusion and sorrow to arise in my mindstream. I pray that all the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas of the ten directions will take pity on me and all other sentient beings now living in endless confusion and grant us penetrating wisdom, unbounded compassion for others, and unstained teachings to lead us from samsara's clutches. I do not understand the many commenters who speak about the Dalai Lama’s “high state of realization” and defend his actions on the basis that those of us who are not enlightened cannot judge. I just watched an interview with the Dalai Lama on American television where he emphatically insisted that he was NOT enlightened and scoffed — loudly and derisively SCOFFED – at the very notion that he might be. I understand that true Masters do not blow their own horns, but there is a difference between arrogantly praising one’s achievements and humbly acknowledging that one has attained some measure of realization through following the Buddha’s — not one’s own — path. Particularly when one enjoys the reputation of being a highly advanced spiritual being and an emanation of a Buddha, it seems to me more unseemly to strike the pose of a giggling fool than to acknowledge one’s genuine station with quiet humility. When I watched the Dalai Lama laugh uproariously at his own inability to remember any past lives or “even what I ate for breakfast this morning”, I could not help but think that if the “spiritual leader” of Tibet has not attained any more realization than this, then what hope is there for the rest of us? Did the man not realize the discouraging effect that such a statement would have on the morale of many aspiring practitioners who need to see that the path they are on is capable of producing genuine results? It was immediately after watching this interview that I began reading about the Dorje Shugden controversy in depth. I do not want to accrue bad karma by speaking ill of the Dalai Lama, but did not Buddha Shakyamuni insist that all followers must test the teachings by their own experience? If I test the Dalai Lama’s teachings and actions by my own experience, I am left with a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Taking him at his own word, he is not a realized practitioner. This would explain why he consults trance mediums for advice, and why he has manifested the very opposite of compassion towards the Dorje Shugden practitioners. I cannot reconcile the notion that an emanation of Avalokitesvara would instigate such hatred and violence towards any group, even a group of murderers seeking his blood (and I am fairly sure the Dorje Shugden practitioners have no such evil motives and represent no such threat). Indeed, even Jesus Christ went voluntarily to the cross rather than engage in violence against his spiritual/political enemies. If the Dalai Lama cannot manifest similar compassion towards these practitioners he considers to be ‘shortening his life’, he has not even attained the realization of compassion that many non-Buddhists have attained. I pray that I incur no bad karma from speaking these thoughts of my heart, but in all honesty, the Dalai Lama’s actions have turned me away from Tibetan Buddhism and caused great confusion and sorrow to arise in my mindstream. I pray that all the Buddhas and Bodhisattvas of the ten directions will take pity on me and all other sentient beings now living in endless confusion and grant us penetrating wisdom, unbounded compassion for others, and unstained teachings to lead us from samsara’s clutches.

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By: Thom http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-2/#comment-25476 Thom Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:14:56 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-25476 The Bigger Picture is the Dalia Lama scurrying to hide the evidence of his involvement with the asassination of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen. He never saw his fame and fortune rising to the level it has and was caught with his pants down once he became so famous~ Why does he not confess he or his minister killed a Wisdom Being for personal gain and the enslavement of the Tibetan People untl 1959. This is the Big Picture in my opinion The Bigger Picture is the Dalia Lama scurrying to hide the evidence of his involvement with the asassination of Tulku Dragpa Gyaltsen. He never saw his fame and fortune rising to the level it has and was caught with his pants down once he became so famous~ Why does he not confess he or his minister killed a Wisdom Being for personal gain and the enslavement of the Tibetan People untl 1959. This is the Big Picture in my opinion

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By: KEN GESHE http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/the-controversy/four-very-important-questions/comment-page-2/#comment-25289 KEN GESHE Mon, 26 Mar 2012 16:26:50 +0000 http://dorjeshugden.com/wp/?p=12232#comment-25289 Why ban the DS practice? Why allow this to happen to Buddhism in this world? We are free to practice here in my multi racial country although ISLAM is major religion. Maybe Dalai Lama should come and see how we practice together and live in harmony. I welcome you Mr. Dalai Lama sincerely. Why ban the DS practice?
Why allow this to happen to Buddhism in this world? We are free to practice here in my multi racial country although ISLAM is major religion. Maybe Dalai Lama should come and see how we practice together and live in harmony. I welcome you Mr. Dalai Lama sincerely.

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