Kundeling does all the informational mailing to many organizations around the world in the futile attempt to destroy the reputation of the Dalai Lama. Kundeling was ‘recognized’ as a reincarnation by Lama Gangchen in Italy. They all join forces with NKT to defame Dalai Lama using dhogyal. This is all confirmed by monks of Sera Mey Monastery. Beware of these ‘lamas’.

In reply, 2 points:

1) It is not racist to recognise that a university-educated English person is going to be more fluent in their mother tongue than a native Tibetan could ever be – it is a de facto truth. I’m sure if I went to live in Tibet, even for decades, I would NEVER speak it like a native. If this person really looked at what I write, with complex sentence construction and colloquial UK turn-of-phrase, they could easily tell that English is my mother tongue. Ha ha ha. Racist. What utter tosh. Keep your unfounded vicious insults for your self, BJ.

2) If said “anonymous” wants to start laying in to me with totally false accusations, he should have made a far more thorough analysis of things I wrote, to make sure. Such as, that I am ex-NKT and that I was at a Summer Festival once and witnessed the rough ejection from the Festival of someone because they were “banned”. And at the time chose to ignore/excuse such horrible behaviour because I was “in love” with the NKT. I’d be very surptrised if there’s even a single Tibetan member of the NKT hanging out at their Summer Festivals!

Again, both BJ’s and “Anonymous” personal attacks on me are just perfect examples of NKT/ISC Shugden behaviour – come up with some totally spurious reason to make an attack on someone, with no proof of your claim whatsoever, and without any real attempt to investigate the facts of a situation. That’s the NKT/ISC/ Shugden anti-Dalai Lama campain all over. Full of vicious personal attacks and full of claims with no basis in reality, which they say are “proved” by their own propaganda. Absurd.

http://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/2014/08/24/some-media-and-the-shugden-controversy-how-tv-channels-and-youtube-can-deceive-you/

You can say this, “Anonymous “Not a Shugden worshipper ”, Ha ha ha – me, a Tibetan? Well that says a lot about your powers of perception and analysis if you can manage to make that ludicrously incorrect deduction from my writing. That is funny. ”

You are plain racist. Don’t even need to read your racist mentality comments. If you WERE a Shugden worshipper, what would anyone get? NOTHING. People like you would represent Shugden badly.

If you don’t want to take those mountains of supposed “evidence” to the Dalai Lama himself or the CTA, why not the Indian police, hmmm? The police was my first suggestion to you. Or are you going to come up with some other bovine excrement excuse for why that’s no use to you either? Ha ha ha. No use to you for the only reason that every single one of your claims has no real substance as “human rights abuses” or “persecution”and the farce of this “protest” movement is a great big storm in a teacup, a huge mountain created out of a tiny molehill by Kelsang Gyatso and his KelsangBots, because of his viciously spiteful personal vendetta against the Dalai Lama.

The documentaries you mention did not include reference to the BBC documentary “An Unholy Row” I noticed, which certainly did not give much credence to the Shugden camps fallacious arguments. Some of the broadcasters you mentioned were forced to make apologies for their totally biased broadcasts, which they admitted had not been thoroughly investigated. We all know how some low-level journalists like nothing better than sensational scandal-mongering, based on mere rumour and hearsay.

In one of these programmes which you cite as proof of “persecution” about the best they could manage was some monk going into a shop and proudly announcing to the owner he was a Shugden worshipper. If Shugdenpas are really “living in fear”, as you claim, why the heck do they go round announcing proudly to all and sundry that they are Shugdenpas????? That makes no sense at all and shows what a load of fallacious codswallop all your claims really are. The shopkeeper was running a shop which sold religious items and so refused to serve him, as his her right, if she finds the violently sectarian nature of Shugden practice to be morally repugnant to her. Who knows, maybe the man and his wife from the Tibetan settlement in the police photos who had been brutally beaten by Shugdenpas, were relations of hers? Maybe Lobsang Gyatso, who was murdered by Shugdenpas according to the Indian Police, was her teacher? She has a moral right to refuse to associate with people she considers, in her life context, to be unsavoury and dangerous.

Strange how Amesty International, who really do take their investigations seriously and don’t just believe any old rubbish people tell them, found nothing whatsoever for concern in any of your preposterous claims of Human Rights abuses. They actually made a strong point at the end of their report that this whole fabricated human rights issue in the Tibetan exile community was serving only to draw attention AWAY from the REAL human rights abuses being perpetrated by the Chinese against ethnic Tibetans in Tibet.

Furthermore, Tibet was lost mainly because the efforts of the Thirteenth Dalai Lama to modernize and reform Tibet were thwarted at every turn by the conservative (read: Gelug/Shugdenite) lamas and their aristocratic allies. The Gelug lamas were determined to do all they could to retain their political power in oppostion to the democratization attempts of the 13th Dalai Lama, who was opposed to Shugden practice, not least because it was used as a poitical tool for the Gelugs to maintain their grip of power. See : Shakya, Tsering. The Dragon In The Land Of Snows (1999) and Feigon, Lee. Demystifying Tibet: Unlocking the Secrets of the Land of Snows (1996)

So, you see my analysis and views are based on properly investigated research and factual, historical analysis. Whereas yours are based on YouTube propaganda videos, sensationalist poor journalism, “mere averments” and exaggerated, unsubstantiated claims. I said it once and I’ll say it again: if there have been any incidents of violence that you claim, take your evidence to the police authorities.
That you can provide NO PROOF WHATSOEVER from any reputable authority of your claims against the Dalai Lama suggests only this – your claims of Dalai-Lama instigated brutality are false and the attacks of the ISC/NKT against him amount to libel.

BTW, most of the videos/evidence are made by FRANCE and AMERICAN and SWISS medias, not by Shugden people, they are just collecting the evidences.

BY THE WAY, I AM NOT A SHUGDEN FOLLOWERS. BUT I AM STRONGLY AGAINST DALAI LAMA USING HIS POWER TO INFLUENCE OUR POLITICS.

We lost Tibet because of THEOCRACY, now, Dalai Lama is trying to gain his God King Power to restore THEOCRACY. Please don’t tell me that we have “a Prime minister, Lobsang Sangay.” He is a joke. He is just a Puppet of Dalai Lama. He wasted all the money by attending Harvard University. What he learned in HARVARD??? THEOCRACY, right? Anyway, what could we expect from An EXCHANGE STUDENT, guarantee seat to Harvard. I think LOBSANG SANGAY attended Harvard University to learn ESL only. His English still cannot compete with Tibetan High school students.

Only I can hope now is that Tibetan students who grow up in America or Swiss will one day lead the Tibet instead of Tibetans in Dharamsala who are totally religious nuts.

FREE TIBET FROM CHINA AND DALAI LAMA.

So no, I don’t believe you, sorry. If you do have any evidence I suggest you take it to the police or to the CTA so that action can be taken against the perpetrators. Furthermore, if there do happen to be some over-zealous Dalai Lama supporters doing anything like this, you can hardly blame the Dalai Lama for that personally. Especially as no-one has actually given him any evidence of any such violence that you claim. Let me ask you, would you blame the Pope for the actions of the IRA?

I repeat, take your evidence, if you have any – which I strongly doubt, to the appropriate authorities. Until you can prove any of your claims, then your suggestion that the Dalai Lama is responsible for any such violence is actually libellous. You Shugden people are always going on about how there is “no proof” that Lobsang Gyatso and his two assistants were murdered by Shugdenpas and thus it is unfair to claim this. Yet there was indeed enough evidence for Interpol to have a Wanted status on them as they hide out in China. I have also seen documented police evidence of a settlement leader and his wife being severely beaten by Shugdenpas.

Yet you Shugden people with all your claims of violent attacks, beatings and even murders can produce not a single shred of police evidence, crime reports, wanted notices about any such attacks. Still you claim these things over and over again, while on the other hand you complain again and again that the suspected Shugdenpa murderers of Lobsang Gyatso must be deemed “innocent until proven guilty” . Likewise you people must treat the Dalai Lama as innocent of these crimes you claim, until proven guilty. You cannot have one rule for yourselves and expect another to be applied to the Dalai Lama, especially as you can provide no evidence whatsoever of your claims against him! Such horrible double standards is what we come to expect all the time from you people.

I suggest you provide police proof of your claims or otherwise stop with your libellous claims and statements.