Comments on: Over 20,000 in Chamdo and Kongpo http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/ The Protector whose time has come Fri, 03 Jul 2026 07:09:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Dalai Lama should set things right http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-623038 Dalai Lama should set things right Mon, 13 Aug 2018 10:19:02 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-623038 Dear Dalai Lama, Since you started the cruel ban against the 350 year Dorje Shugden practice, how has it benefit your Tibetan society and Buddhism in the world? <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">Things have become worse and most educated Tibetans can see this.</font> They don't speak out not because they don't see your ban as wrong, but you instill fear in them and not respect. It is like fear of a dictator. I am sorry to say so. Everyone is divided. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">There is no harmony.</font> Before your ban there was more harmony and unity. By enacting the ban, you split the monasteries, split so many families, split regions in Tibet apart, split your disciples from you, split your own gurus from you, split Tibetan Buddhism apart. You have created so much disharmony. It is not democratic what you have done to ban a religion within your community. You always talk of tolerance and acceptance and democracy and yet you do not accept and tolerate something different from your beliefs. When people practice Dorje Shugden you ostracize them, ban them from seeing you, ban them from using Tibetan facilities. You know you have done that. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">There are videos that capture your speech and prove this point.</font> You even had people expelled from monasteries just because they practice Dorje Shugden. Some of the monks you expelled have been in the monastery for over 40 years. Many older monks shed tears because of this. Many young educated Tibetans lost confidence in you as they saw the damage the Dorje Shugden ban created and they lose hope. Many have become free thinkers. They reject what you have done. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">So many people in the west left Buddhism because of the confusion you created with this ban against Dorje Shugden which is immoral.</font> You could of had millions of people who practice Dorje Shugden to support, love and follow you, but you scared them away. They are hurt and very disappointed. They loved you and respected you deeply before the ban. It has been 60 years and you have failed to get Tibet back. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">Your biggest failure is not getting Tibet back after 57 years in exile.</font> Now you are begging China to allow you to return to Tibet to the disappointment of thousands of people who fought for a free Tibet believing in you. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">So many self-immolated for a free Tibet and now you want Tibet to be a part of China with no referendum from Tibetans.</font> Just like a dictator, you decide on your own. It was your government and you that lost Tibet in the first place. Your policies and style of doing things do not benefit Tibet and Buddhism. You have been the sole ruler of Tibet your whole life and you still have not gotten our country of Tibet back for us. Our families and us are separated. Yet you create more pain by creating a ban to further divide people. Please have compassion. No other Buddhist leader has banned or condemned any religion except for you. It looks very bad. You are a Nobel laureate and this is not fitting of a laureate. You should unite people and not separate them by religious differences. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">You said Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi did not do right to the Rohingya people in Myanmar due to religious differences, but you are doing the same thing to the Shugden Buddhists within your own society.</font> There is a parallel in this. You separate the Shugden Buddhists from the others in Tibetan society. You have lost so many people who would have loved and supported you. You have lost so much support around the world. The Shugden Buddhists who love you number in the millions. When you are fast losing support from governments and private people, it will not do you well to lose more. After you are passed away in the future, the rift you created between the Dorje Shugden and non-Dorje Shugden people will remain for a while and that will be your legacy. Disharmony. You will be remembered for this. Not as a hero but a disharmony creator. Dorje Shugden will spread and further grow, but you will be no more as you are a human. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">No one wishes you bad and in fact we hope you have a long and healthy life, but we have lost so much hope and have so much despair because of you.</font> All the hundreds of Dorje Shugden lamas, tulkus and geshes are maturing and there are hundreds of Dorje Shugden monasteries in Tibet who will not give up Dorje Shugden. You have made a mistake. These hundreds of teachers and teachers to be will spread Dorje Shugden further in the future. The gurus that gave us Dorje Shugden as a spiritual practice and you have called these holy gurus wrong and they are mistaken in giving us Dorje Shugden. <font color=#cc4125 class="bbcode-color">How can you insult our gurus whom we respect so much? If they can be wrong, then you can be wrong.</font> Then all gurus can be wrong. So no one needs to listen to any guru? You have created this trend. It is not healthy. Your own gurus practiced Dorje Shugden their whole lives. Your own gurus were exemplary and highly learned. Dalai Lama you have created so much pain with this ban against so many people due to religion. You are ageing fast. Are you going to do anything about it or stay stubborn, hard and un-moving. You show a smile and preach peace and harmony wherever you go. But will you do the same to your own people? Please rectify the wrong you have done. Please before it is too late. You can create harmony again or you can pass away in the future with this legacy of peace. May you live long and think carefully and admit what was a mistake in having this unethical ban against Dorje Shugden religion. <a href="http://www.dorjeshugden.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/download.jpg" title="Download: download.jpg" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://www.dorjeshugden.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/download.jpg"></a> Dear Dalai Lama,

Since you started the cruel ban against the 350 year Dorje Shugden practice, how has it benefit your Tibetan society and Buddhism in the world? Things have become worse and most educated Tibetans can see this. They don’t speak out not because they don’t see your ban as wrong, but you instill fear in them and not respect. It is like fear of a dictator. I am sorry to say so. Everyone is divided. There is no harmony. Before your ban there was more harmony and unity.

By enacting the ban, you split the monasteries, split so many families, split regions in Tibet apart, split your disciples from you, split your own gurus from you, split Tibetan Buddhism apart. You have created so much disharmony.

It is not democratic what you have done to ban a religion within your community. You always talk of tolerance and acceptance and democracy and yet you do not accept and tolerate something different from your beliefs. When people practice Dorje Shugden you ostracize them, ban them from seeing you, ban them from using Tibetan facilities. You know you have done that. There are videos that capture your speech and prove this point. You even had people expelled from monasteries just because they practice Dorje Shugden. Some of the monks you expelled have been in the monastery for over 40 years. Many older monks shed tears because of this.

Many young educated Tibetans lost confidence in you as they saw the damage the Dorje Shugden ban created and they lose hope. Many have become free thinkers. They reject what you have done. So many people in the west left Buddhism because of the confusion you created with this ban against Dorje Shugden which is immoral.

You could of had millions of people who practice Dorje Shugden to support, love and follow you, but you scared them away. They are hurt and very disappointed. They loved you and respected you deeply before the ban. It has been 60 years and you have failed to get Tibet back. Your biggest failure is not getting Tibet back after 57 years in exile. Now you are begging China to allow you to return to Tibet to the disappointment of thousands of people who fought for a free Tibet believing in you. So many self-immolated for a free Tibet and now you want Tibet to be a part of China with no referendum from Tibetans. Just like a dictator, you decide on your own. It was your government and you that lost Tibet in the first place. Your policies and style of doing things do not benefit Tibet and Buddhism. You have been the sole ruler of Tibet your whole life and you still have not gotten our country of Tibet back for us. Our families and us are separated. Yet you create more pain by creating a ban to further divide people. Please have compassion.

No other Buddhist leader has banned or condemned any religion except for you. It looks very bad. You are a Nobel laureate and this is not fitting of a laureate. You should unite people and not separate them by religious differences.

You said Ms. Aung San Suu Kyi did not do right to the Rohingya people in Myanmar due to religious differences, but you are doing the same thing to the Shugden Buddhists within your own society. There is a parallel in this. You separate the Shugden Buddhists from the others in Tibetan society.

You have lost so many people who would have loved and supported you. You have lost so much support around the world. The Shugden Buddhists who love you number in the millions. When you are fast losing support from governments and private people, it will not do you well to lose more.

After you are passed away in the future, the rift you created between the Dorje Shugden and non-Dorje Shugden people will remain for a while and that will be your legacy. Disharmony. You will be remembered for this. Not as a hero but a disharmony creator.

Dorje Shugden will spread and further grow, but you will be no more as you are a human. No one wishes you bad and in fact we hope you have a long and healthy life, but we have lost so much hope and have so much despair because of you. All the hundreds of Dorje Shugden lamas, tulkus and geshes are maturing and there are hundreds of Dorje Shugden monasteries in Tibet who will not give up Dorje Shugden. You have made a mistake. These hundreds of teachers and teachers to be will spread Dorje Shugden further in the future.

The gurus that gave us Dorje Shugden as a spiritual practice and you have called these holy gurus wrong and they are mistaken in giving us Dorje Shugden. How can you insult our gurus whom we respect so much? If they can be wrong, then you can be wrong. Then all gurus can be wrong. So no one needs to listen to any guru? You have created this trend. It is not healthy. Your own gurus practiced Dorje Shugden their whole lives. Your own gurus were exemplary and highly learned.

Dalai Lama you have created so much pain with this ban against so many people due to religion. You are ageing fast. Are you going to do anything about it or stay stubborn, hard and un-moving. You show a smile and preach peace and harmony wherever you go. But will you do the same to your own people? Please rectify the wrong you have done. Please before it is too late. You can create harmony again or you can pass away in the future with this legacy of peace. May you live long and think carefully and admit what was a mistake in having this unethical ban against Dorje Shugden religion.

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By: samayakeeper http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-200465 samayakeeper Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:23:26 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-200465 In almost recent teachings the dalai lama taught to the sangha community he had not failed to mention about his "advice" to them about the negative issues related to the practices of Dorje Shugden. It had become like an appetizer before the main course, dharma. In almost recent teachings the dalai lama taught to the sangha community he had not failed to mention about his “advice” to them about the negative issues related to the practices of Dorje Shugden. It had become like an appetizer before the main course, dharma.

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By: Danny Short http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199682 Danny Short Wed, 31 Dec 2014 11:52:52 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199682 Quote: "Religious freedom of a religion, faith or path of spirituality is not defined by what you worship but the freedom to worship as you like." The Dalai Lama does not understand this important distinction. I think the dalai lama understands but just refuses to accept because of his own agendas. And of course the CTA pawns follow and protect their king. Thank you Kay Beswick. Quote:
“Religious freedom of a religion, faith or path of spirituality is not defined by what you worship but the freedom to worship as you like.” The Dalai Lama does not understand this important distinction.

I think the dalai lama understands but just refuses to accept because of his own agendas.
And of course the CTA pawns follow and protect their king.

Thank you Kay Beswick.

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By: Chris Denham http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199612 Chris Denham Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:26:46 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199612 Truly heartwarming to see these wonderful pictures of Dorje Shugden's practitioners gathering in thousands to perform prayers to the great Protector. How can this practice be wrong when hundreds of great masters had practiced Dorje Shugden for the last 400 years! A leader's words can result in great benefit or great harm. Please lift the ban against Dorje Shugden's practitioners,who only wants their freedom to practice peacefully. Dalai Lama should accept all persons no matter what religion they follow, Truly heartwarming to see these wonderful pictures of Dorje Shugden’s practitioners gathering in thousands to perform prayers to the great Protector.
How can this practice be wrong when hundreds of great masters had practiced Dorje Shugden for the last 400 years! A leader’s words can result in great benefit or great harm. Please lift the ban against Dorje Shugden’s practitioners,who only wants their freedom to practice peacefully. Dalai Lama should accept all persons no matter what religion they follow,

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By: Eli Buchen http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199555 Eli Buchen Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:18:00 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199555 Through the hard work of many Dorje Shugden lamas, NKT organisation and many others, Dorje Shugden practice is being adopted by people at an extraordinary pace. The Dorje Shugden ban is the only ban whereby year on year more and more practitioners adopt it. It is a practice that people who use all their five sense to determine if this is a good practice or not and after practicing many have embraced its benefits to the fullest. Secondly there is a very interesting point made in the articles above, which is if Dalai Lama is a monk how can a monk be subject to harm from spirits? Makes no sense to utter the words that the Dalai lama's life is shortened from the practice of Dorje Shugden. Through the hard work of many Dorje Shugden lamas, NKT organisation and many others, Dorje Shugden practice is being adopted by people at an extraordinary pace. The Dorje Shugden ban is the only ban whereby year on year more and more practitioners adopt it. It is a practice that people who use all their five sense to determine if this is a good practice or not and after practicing many have embraced its benefits to the fullest.

Secondly there is a very interesting point made in the articles above, which is if Dalai Lama is a monk how can a monk be subject to harm from spirits? Makes no sense to utter the words that the Dalai lama’s life is shortened from the practice of Dorje Shugden.

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By: Danny Short http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199544 Danny Short Tue, 23 Dec 2014 07:52:12 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199544 Well, it’s about time people spoke out and defended their right to religious freedom. How can ONE simple man (that’s what dalai lama calls himself, no?) can have that much political power over religious freedom? This is wrong. And the wrong has to be righted. Well, it’s about time people spoke out and defended their right to religious freedom. How can ONE simple man (that’s what dalai lama calls himself, no?) can have that much political power over religious freedom? This is wrong. And the wrong has to be righted.

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By: BLESSING TO ALL http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199541 BLESSING TO ALL Tue, 23 Dec 2014 05:07:07 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199541 PALDEN LHAMO says hi to all at youtube.com and Shugden friends. [youtube=http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=mfXyo6p71cs] or type PALDEN LHAMO MANTRA BY Mahayana Dharmaraja PALDEN LHAMO says hi to all at youtube.com and Shugden friends.

[youtube=http://www.youtube.com//watch?v=mfXyo6p71cs]

or type PALDEN LHAMO MANTRA BY Mahayana Dharmaraja

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By: Sandra http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199473 Sandra Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:40:47 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199473 Very sorry to know that Jamyang Tsuktrim being arrested and sentenced because being follower of Dalai Clique and asking people not to propitiate Shugden. My opinion is again the main cause for all this is because the ban on Shugden practice. I truly believe that the Buddhist community will be unite if the ban has not been imposed. There will be no such thing of someone being sentenced or threatened. There will be no such claim that the threat of imprisonment of not attending was enough to make them show up. No ban, no persecution, no tragedy. Since the ban been imposed, all the people are suffering, whether pro Dalai Lama or Shugdenpass. I advise to trace back the reasons were given for the ban and understand it wisely and prudence. Must we continue to suffer under the force of the ban either you are pro Dalai Lama or Shugdenpass? I believe we have the choice. Very sorry to know that Jamyang Tsuktrim being arrested and sentenced because being follower of Dalai Clique and asking people not to propitiate Shugden. My opinion is again the main cause for all this is because the ban on Shugden practice. I truly believe that the Buddhist community will be unite if the ban has not been imposed. There will be no such thing of someone being sentenced or threatened. There will be no such claim that the threat of imprisonment of not attending was enough to make them show up. No ban, no persecution, no tragedy. Since the ban been imposed, all the people are suffering, whether pro Dalai Lama or Shugdenpass. I advise to trace back the reasons were given for the ban and understand it wisely and prudence. Must we continue to suffer under the force of the ban either you are pro Dalai Lama or Shugdenpass? I believe we have the choice.

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By: Anonymous http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199465 Anonymous Fri, 19 Dec 2014 08:34:11 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199465 W W

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By: Anna Valerious http://www.dorjeshugden.com/all-articles/news/over-20000-in-chamdo-and-kongpo/comment-page-1/#comment-199409 Anna Valerious Tue, 16 Dec 2014 18:52:02 +0000 http://www.dorjeshugden.com/?p=46479#comment-199409 Perhaps the threat of imprisonment for not attending was enough to make them show up and pretend. How many Shugden followers in India have been imprisoned for speaking against HHDL? None. So who are the real oppressors of religious freedom? Not HHDL, but Shugden and his followers. Don't forget Kundeling says he "approves" of the Chinese presence in Tibet. So he and all you filthy hypocrite Shugden worshippers must be really pleased to see someone appropriately punished like this for speaking his religious views. TRANSLATION OF THE RFA NEWS. According to reliable sources inside Tibet a 77 year old man from Topbar village, Dzogang district of Chamdho region belonging to Cho Gey Tsang household named Jamyang Tsultrim was sentenced to a year and half in prison, charged with being a follower of the "Dalai Clique" and asking people not to propitiate Dholgyal. Jamyang Tsultrim was first arrested in Lhasa this April and was taken to Chamdho. Afterwards he was taken to Dzogang district and was kept under strict supervision and interrogated till now. He was sentenced at the beginning of this December and will soon be taken to a Chamdho prison. He was long suffering from high blood pressure, chronic cold related illnesses(known as Dhrang-wa in Tibetan). His family is extremely worried about him. Jamyang Tsultrim has told his friends that he had committed no crimes under the law and doesn't regret for whatever reason he was being sentenced for, but that he has a wife aged 83 years old who is now left alone in Lhasa, he is very worried about her he said. Local Tibetans say that Jamyang Tsultrim is well informed on politics(-cal crisis of Tibet) and always has a keen interest regarding the plight of Tibetans. His patriotism is well known among his peers. A few years ago at a gathering of young Tibetan students heading China to attend universities he had told them without any fear of consequence that they should follow the path led by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and must not let the flames of patriotism inside them diminish(he also dissuaded them to keep away from propitiating Dholgyal as well). A video recording of that incident kept doing rounds for sometime. Chinese courts sentencing someone for advising others not to propitiate Dholgyal is a first of its kind. Perhaps the threat of imprisonment for not attending was enough to make them show up and pretend. How many Shugden followers in India have been imprisoned for speaking against HHDL? None. So who are the real oppressors of religious freedom? Not HHDL, but Shugden and his followers. Don’t forget Kundeling says he “approves” of the Chinese presence in Tibet. So he and all you filthy hypocrite Shugden worshippers must be really pleased to see someone appropriately punished like this for speaking his religious views.

TRANSLATION OF THE RFA NEWS.

According to reliable sources inside Tibet a 77 year old man from Topbar village, Dzogang district of Chamdho region belonging to Cho Gey Tsang household named Jamyang Tsultrim was sentenced to a year and half in prison, charged with being a follower of the “Dalai Clique” and asking people not to propitiate Dholgyal.

Jamyang Tsultrim was first arrested in Lhasa this April and was taken to Chamdho. Afterwards he was taken to Dzogang district and was kept under strict supervision and interrogated till now.

He was sentenced at the beginning of this December and will soon be taken to a Chamdho prison. He was long suffering from high blood pressure, chronic cold related illnesses(known as Dhrang-wa in Tibetan). His family is extremely worried about him.

Jamyang Tsultrim has told his friends that he had committed no crimes under the law and doesn’t regret for whatever reason he was being sentenced for, but that he has a wife aged 83 years old who is now left alone in Lhasa, he is very worried about her he said.

Local Tibetans say that Jamyang Tsultrim is well informed on politics(-cal crisis of Tibet) and always has a keen interest regarding the plight of Tibetans.
His patriotism is well known among his peers.

A few years ago at a gathering of young Tibetan students heading China to attend universities he had told them without any fear of consequence that they should follow the path led by His Holiness the Dalai Lama and must not let the flames of patriotism inside them diminish(he also dissuaded them to keep away from propitiating Dholgyal as well). A video recording of that incident kept doing rounds for sometime.

Chinese courts sentencing someone for advising others not to propitiate Dholgyal is a first of its kind.

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