Comments on: The Unreliability of the Nechung Oracle

By: Drolma

Drolma — Sun, 03 Mar 2019 08:56:39 +0000

The CTA cannot lie anymore, they are just ineffective. After 60 years, the blind can also see the CTA is not capable and they always make empty promises. The CTA doesn’t want to take the responsibility that is why they always ask Nechung for advice. After asking for advice, they just sit there and not doing anything.

The CTA is not going to succeed because Nechung always gives the wrong prophecy and the CTA is too busy begging for free money. Well, the main reason the CTA is not working hard for the Tibet cause is that they want to continue to get free money from the west using the cause. Life has been too easy for the CTA, they will not want to change anything.

More Tibetans have realised how deceiving and hypocritical the CTA is, some of them speak up, some of them choose to leave the Tibetan community. The number of Tibetans in India has reduced a lot, a statistic that the CTA is very reluctant to release. Tibetans arriving in India from Tibet is close to zero by now. This is a very clear indication the CTA is losing support from its own people. It is probably time for the CTA to say goodbye!

By: Dondrup Shugden

Dondrup Shugden — Fri, 31 Aug 2018 06:38:18 +0000

I find it amazing that after so many wrong predictions, Nechung is still revered as the state oracle of the Tibetans in exile.

Why is it so, it is therefore my opinion that the Tibetan authorities under the guidance of the Dalai Lama is completely clueless or blinded by poor judgement and misplaced faith.

As Nechung (Pehar) was subjugated by Guru Rinpoche to be a protector of the Dharma, it is also possible with the theory that the Nechung oracle is not in trance with Nechung but rather another spirit.

With that experience, it should occur to the CTA and Dalai Lama, that all the fuss and accusation against Dorje Shugden should stop especially after the prediction of Dorje Shugden saved the Dalai Lama’s life in instructing the DL to leave Tibet when the Chinese attacked and took control.

Puzzling for the ban of Dorje Shugden to be in place and also puzzling that the Tibetans do not see the wrong predictions by Nechung.

By: Pema

Pema — Thu, 30 Aug 2018 02:24:45 +0000

It is really hard to believe that the Tibetan leadership relies on an oracle in the first place but then if i learn that so many things that have been foreseen by Nechung did not manifest at all. On the contrary, they went wrong, and Tibet and the Tibetans became the big losers, why do they still listen to Nechung?

This is a big disappointment and in fact, Nechung should not be listened to anymore!

By: Tianni

Tianni — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:45:29 +0000

Tibetan leadership is democratically elected but they rely heavily on an undemocratically-appointed Oracle. Undemocratically ban Dorje Shugden practice. After so many times of giving wrong advice, Tibetan leadership still believe Nechung. Many people will question what is the motivation here because it takes 2 hands to clap. I can’t believe that even after Nechung prescribed the wrong medication to the 13th Dalai Lama which hastened the 13th Dalai Lama passing, Tibetan still keep on trusting him, what logic is this ?

By: Tenzin K

Tenzin K — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:42:39 +0000

Nechung had failed so many times by giving inaccurate advice to the Tibetan leaderships. Funny things is that after so many times why the Tibetan leadership still rely on Nechung.

Looking at the effect of how Nechung given wrong prophecy and causes much trouble for the Tibetan but why Nechung can get away with in? Why Dorje Shugden has done nothing against the Tibetans leadership but being prosecute and discriminate? I believe Dalai Lama is Chenrezig but why can’t he tell whether Nechung is reliable.

By: Wangel

Wangel — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:29:52 +0000

This are one of the main cause Tibet in exile fall apart and tibetan leadership stiĺl relian on Nechung advice. The countless of mistake Nechung had made even directly causing 13 Dalai Lama died.Hïstory has record the truth.

In other hand 14 Dalai Lama stiĺl beliave on Nechung advice? If Dalai Lama can make such mistake. How about putting ban on Dorje Shugden.It may the bigger mistake over 20 years.

By: Vajra10

Vajra10 — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:36:55 +0000

It’s not making any sense for the H.H Dalai Lama & CTA to continue to consult & regard Nechung after a long history & experiences that have clear indication of his incompetent of providing advises. What are all these about?

By: Jing Jing

Jing Jing — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:18:50 +0000

Tibetan still rely on Nechung not because they still believe in him but more in His Holiness the Dalai Lama himself still rely on him as he has no one else to rely as he had ban Dorje Dhugden who he used to reply on. The protector is to assist the Lamas, is not for the Lama to rely on the protector 100%. What i mean is the attained Lama with superpower should know if the protector is for real. In this case I have nothing to say.

By: Geraldine Sarie

Geraldine Sarie — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:45:48 +0000

Why do the Tibetans still rely on Nechung since he had continuously giving wrong predictions? Obviously, he was a spirit, a non enlightened being that been subdued by Guru Rinpoche and sworn to protect growth of Dharma. It’s pitiful and sad to see high lamas still relied more on a spirit prediction rather than a fully enlightened being Dharma Protector like Dorje Shugden. ☹️

By: Samayakeeper

Samayakeeper — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:54:23 +0000

I find it perplexing that the Dalai Lamas, who are considered to be Chenresig, were deceived by Nechung.

(“The Fifth Dalai Lama commissioned Nyingma lamas to perform powerful fire pujas to eradicate the ‘spirit’, Dorje Shugden. However, the pujas were ineffective as Dorje Shugden was of the same indestructible nature as Yamantaka. The Dalai Lama realized this and composed a praise to Dorje Shugden, built the shrine Trode Khangsar and crafted statues according to the vision he had of Dorje Shugden.”)
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The Great Fifth was well known for his wisdom and tantric powers and would know if Dorje Shugden was a spirit or not. But he only realised that Dorje Shugden was indeed an emanation of Yamantaka after the fire pujas proved to be ineffective. Did he not know before he had the fire pujas done? Strange.

(“However, due to the Dorje Shugden controversy, Kyabje Pabongka Rinpoche and Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche have been omitted from the list of lineage masters. This is a travesty of tradition and lineage – these two great masters are major lineage holders of the Gelugpa tradition and omitting them would mean that the lineage is broken.”)
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That would mean that there would be no blessings of the great masters of the past.

(“Generally, many high lamas still have high regard for the Dharma Protector Nechung, and some believe that the being entering the Nechung oracle’s body is not necessarily Nechung himself. In fact, some say that a powerful malignant spirit of someone who had been murdered by the CTA has been entering the state oracle, and intentionally making incorrect pronouncements – karma coming back for the Tibetan leadership. Whatever it is, there is a general belief that the trance of the Nechung oracle is not and has not been pure. In all likelihood, Nechung’s pronouncement against Dorje Shugden is yet another fake prophecy designed to create more harm in Tibetan society. Very plausible considering that all the Dorje Shugden ban has achieved is to create suffering, misery and heartache for all involved.”)
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Why does the Dalai Lama allow this? Surely the Dalai Lama with his wisdom and clairvoyance would be able to see through the charade.

I wonder with so many negative incidences caused by Nechung, why did the Dalai Lamas, up to the 14th, still rely on him.